From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 25 14:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685C637B6DD for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 9759E2DC0B; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E16097817; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D442510E17; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:06:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The heart of the problem In-Reply-To: <20000725162648.A18036@mithrandr.moria.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is just to apologize that I doln't paricipate actively in he discussion. I'm on vacation now, I have very poor connectivity, but generally speaking I agree that; * we need a coordinator, and Jeffrey could be the man here * we proably need to throw away most of the current messy code, which came up to life as a quick hack, but unforunately became popular... * the new picobsd IMHO should still be part of main source tree, because there are quite a few small knobs and hacks here and there that are highly dependent on the system sources. * the new build process should be Makefile based, so that it canbe done regularly as part of the release build. * the ports' Makefiles should be equipped wih knobs ande patches needed to use them as parts of images. * we need to provide some workimg images to the public, and reconstruct the web pages I'm going to have more time in October, I could help then... But IMHO the above things need to start rolling ASAP. On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Tue 2000-07-25 (08:46), Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > > * I believe that the current Pico kit needs to be thrown out and replaced > > with something entirely new. > > > > * Having made my own "Tiny" variant, I believe that I have a darn good > > candidate for 'something entirely new'. :) > > What do you think of the make(1)-based system in picobsd/custom at the > moment, and the Patrick's extensions to it (advertised a few days ago, > which I haven't had the necessary time to look at yet). > > I can't imagine there's a better approach than a make(1)-based system, > like the rest of the build. The power of our make(1) build systems > (ports, release, world, and now doc) is one of FreeBSD's great > strengths. > > Actually, while we're at it, can we get a list of the small FreeBSD kits > and their URLs? > > Perhaps we should move the PicoBSD web pages into the FreeBSD web page > space, so we can get CVS and stuff going. Any ideas, Andrzej? > > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > Sunesi Clinical Systems > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message