From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 25 18:21:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0922BC71E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic312-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic312-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498fWl3qgNz4QVk for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: jC63YnoVM1k5Ds2QMQUHi5VofNz4bXbKUTYup_ZY10OOTXVw.vEvG5XQ3b5ZXnd SDdrxTqo1rfN14sXUzXqeNT1VGFL582RS_aLgkiYisvFTGoPWnQ_bOkbNB7GDj2dKQPAewL4KItD jxMgvcmNE5LeAj.aVkGIFqqAkoE9gIzfvEuVg2aJAC1P9OB8aTIc9n7iFnH14JbTzhKcRcjXOlML 3LnVRBbPqGH1j3.m3lfRaSQiJ5x.UEspVTXEGtz7E5QzTc1NsNSn52JPf1GOrDib2WbTOGI880zu L6wnSzKHR5YCRm7bFMDGP6mxruIcB.n8jvcZ2yiuqIccohb8vmnud3sI2KGJ_hrihKx4NOTBEAit Ltp6TMj_jSaPc5a0kVFVDzjKUwtBjff16q3cEMKbYrnq4ARpfZWhxUX4F0Nli_f0a80wswQhVH5v 1hX8Kf_6cdQTgY3alx0A6Ny7V5PgldEr95c54pQIUSXDxRhGl_19qlpRCY.Yw6RZ_4IoSXdA24Pj odxUOhYElvcrP4gG2Vs7IVXmdRoEQn1M6D80m2oKLwVBOsx7.LaaJmC441HG5GwQV_u7VU_BJfk9 y0yFr5GBzpZ61drN_dH7OD31AE5lQ_e0qVJF5bJgs_Yrt._7nr9fpWQJGzNsW2jxizwIfEM2quIH yR0wxANn7AF9BVmA.ggVb5rCS3UE1x.2IDGFOI9mpXbioGeeaC3q37uOmVIAvFqtcZAlYu3v_SR9 77OyERXMNjF0dY66H5KgxahK0_EIu1pbyNObt6SVUKpMlspDKg249KxtDo5bB1Uo0PUTVzq5A2fI Y0ozsIpdRR9jGGQu6.ODrf6bb66N1dw9JHGKK0YYJO4GFebPHdl5lD1WnQwpkB.XVtVqBWwTdM2G oQtILZxQfVcZZgYkgf6818.N009vt834cOxmJZzMO4CfrhAocODuESGBV0YANHUqoXIJJw_yIFy7 DZAZucTOR9sDMoFZ0OCUGqy2J.KDQq3fzYujGn3xFYwtzXKV2nBNpmubdGMsDo6qpGeq5ivNBCY3 y3sRZO3.HCSbNiRwKYJS149VegqyQNiiy5W9BENPS9ukElfQrxdAxJe.MlID7pHxvFfjFpDiCf90 pTfmVQCQnFTd5Woe3miX.TiFlZnI9wi.N.lvykxh2x6IBuxQn3NQ6nsNGcxK7suOMZGUKBUbeQxq Hmokeu39HtI7zoOhk2_ljoM0AsGBKXUS5qiw5lVukJjXAvzMNotNuDuhNCNppBnQldIkQ4kuadV0 r6e.SU7xn6jWn.O1RhuyxUQLm1r5QhO0dwDxOFVqrC1MwAY8Np1IQ9UiEOkxcIshgLoAqO1XZOqS Cca6LgFBk9p..kgmkDZxlvm4IBZETTmjjyGJ95DGXBOFEy8jMoSoCSxnJZnJaagWu1c.ujDQEVgi VJAmu399J Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:21:53 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4a949daba7c6e837bd2c06ca1efd6352; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD live USB stick From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:21:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <4ccdd6e57db9817c48ff492cb82361ebe820cf86.camel.ref@rocketmail.com> <4ccdd6e57db9817c48ff492cb82361ebe820cf86.camel@rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15756 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 498fWl3qgNz4QVk X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.766,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.941,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[97.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.20), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.11), asn: 34010(1.67), country: GB(-0.07)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[97.178.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:21:57 -0000 On Sat, 2020-04-25 at 11:01 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-04-25 08:03, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to have FreeBSD on a 32 GB USB 3.0 stick. Since I'm an openbox > > user NomadBSD [1] looks promising to me. Any opinions or hints? > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > > > [1] https://nomadbsd.org/handbook/handbook.html#intro > > I have installed FreeBSD onto SanDisk Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0 flash > drives. I like these for their compact form factor, which reduces the > chance of mechanical damage to the drive and/or port/ motherboard. > However, they run hot, they are not a good choice for high-endurance > applications (I cooked a 128 GB model using it for Time Machine backups > in a MacBook Pro), and write performance is an obvious limitation when > running a graphical desktop. I have experienced problems with both > FreeBSD and Linux when using these drives in USB 3.0 ports, but not with > USB 2.0 ports. Thank you for the pointer. I noticed that a Toshiba 32 GB USB 2 stick gets hot when either connected to my Roland GR-55 guitar synth or to a hub connected with my Linux PC, just by being connected and at worst by sharing a few bytes of data. For the live FreeBSD I ordered a Toshiba USB 3 stick. I never noticed that my aged 8GB and smaller USB sticks get hot, by just being connected or sharing a few bytes of data. I still could cancel the order and purchase another aged USB stick. Fortunately the openbox Window manager is not that bloated as almost all desktop environments. However, I didn't had head in mind. I hope the temperature would not become a show stopper. Until now I only used Linux live DVDs, if I needed a live media. I thought it would be a good idea to migrate to either a BSD or Linux on an USB stick.