From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 10 06:29:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9533C16A506 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C53013C45D for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so8065ugc for ; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:29:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HhUaWEejD8TmJlR+zwERdLp/Bg/BJh4Yq836/tPynfImAdySCbzV24MyjhcJ68yhJgyLQbWWbsL2Cgg666UKhiI3KBZSdrevRXZ+ZwJNrq62FWIddpuxRN1uxMh158lLJOG6ldo18CbfCa/F/XKzKHcoeGeVnvnCWop7xv7MjCc= Received: by 10.78.146.11 with SMTP id t11mr5949hud.1168410542993; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.118.10 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:29:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:29:02 -0600 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Jeff Mohler" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45A2805E.7060000@ccstores.com> <20070109222558.GA75695@xor.obsecurity.org> <45A42CF3.4000600@u.washington.edu> Cc: Garrett Cooper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:29:04 -0000 On 1/9/07, Jeff Mohler wrote: > Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with > virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and > FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. > > I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder which > end of a SAN connection owns the responsibility for fsck'ing a SAN > filesystem, I wonder how quickly I can bone up on Linux. > > In ten years at Network Appliance..wanna know exactly how many FreeBSD > host installs ive seen besides Yahoo? > > 2. > > How many -non- Linux SAN configurations? Probly 80% of all SAN I see > and work with are Linux based. > > Fbsd NFS client performance is 1/3'd that of a tuned linux box, can > you say ../..? If you can, you know what its like to never have a > valid directory attr cache on your mounts. (ick) Automount...dont > even go there. > > Im in this for the long haul..I like Fbsd, and as long s lynx and > apache still work on it, im happy. As for the future..I just dont see > much serious future there unless it grows up. > > Rememer when Linux couldnt do _crap_ and Fbsd 2.5 was the bomb? I > do...I want like to see that again. > I'd like to see FreeBSD on top too, I really love and care for it but I'm very disappointed and ambivalent with the projects current state of affairs. I think one project that should be attempted is to get FreeBSD running on top of a Linux kernel. This could potently solve FreeBSD's biggest problems.... We could mold it (the Linux kernel) into are own kernel while still maintaining compatibility with the real Linux kernel tree. anyhow... it's something to think about.