From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 23 01:06:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EB816A420; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:06:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A2A43D68; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:06:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (inchoate.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN16ERM037992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:36:15 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:36:11 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart162186818.BU15SNjyMy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200512231136.12471.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.36 () ALL_TRUSTED,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Jo Rhett , stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:06:21 -0000 --nextPart162186818.BU15SNjyMy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:42, Jo Rhett wrote: > > Using a build server as a testbed and to generate new packages or even a > > new kernel + world will reduce the amount of work required, but FreeBSD > > does require some level of administration and maintenance. > > We already have that. But again, I'm not sure what you are trying to say > here. The centralized server makes patching and port upgrades easier. It > does _NOTHING_ for core OS upgrades because there is no supported mechani= sm > for doing binary upgrades except from the ISO. Thus, we are finally back > on topic. Uhh.. On your central PC.. buildworld once. builkernel once for each of the different kernels you are using. On each 'client' PC.. NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj installkernel reboot installworld Sure there are no tools to automagically do this, but I don't believe core= =20 would say "no, we will never support this". > I have made suggestions. Everyone has made suggestions. Most of us have > produced code to work around the problem, but the core OS team has always > refused to support or acknowledge these efforts. You are putting words in the mouth of core@ - I find it very hard to believ= e=20 that core would suggest someone NOT implement a good framework for doing fu= ll=20 binary upgrades via the network. Unless you mean "core@ said they would not support packaging the base" whic= h=20 is different. > For binary upgrades without booting from CD-ROM to be possible, we need > versioning of some sort at the OS level. Core OS packages are the most This is not true - I don't see it as being mandatory to be able to apply=20 binary updates. (Case in point - freebsd-update works fine without it) > popular suggestion, but not the only path. Every year this topic comes up > and gets struck down again. Yes, because a) it isn't necessary, b) it may not solve the problem, c) the= re=20 are no patches to evaluate. I think the people suggesting it see it as a panacea to fix their problems = but=20 haven't fully evaluated it. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart162186818.BU15SNjyMy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDq02E5ZPcIHs/zowRAn5GAJ97pxuA0nXeDa5va0P84gbIcOf/hQCdEdG6 s5bEFdO5ykUVmWsYsPRT0yo= =DCOf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart162186818.BU15SNjyMy--