From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 7 8:11:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C101A37B400 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EC343E7B for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87FA9Gd047786; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g87FA9Fv047783; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <20020907013917.GC16913@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: <20020907080744.E44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > In message: <20020906181354.C44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > > Correction. Logic and ethics are meaningless without objective > > standards, and objective standards are impossible without appealing > > to something, well, *objective*. "Objective" means that it comes to > > you from the outside, externally, i.e. "not subjective". So > > immediately the opinions of men are eliminated. What is left? > > The team. The sum of a dozen people, is more than a dozen people. > A team can define what is objective, without a need for anything > supernatural. So what if one of the members of your team decides he doesn't want to play ball? And by the way, that is not "objective". You can't vote on "objective" truth. If it is objective, it is what it is regardless of the majority opinion. You are talking about collective subjectivism. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message