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Date:      Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com>
To:        Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <20020907080744.E44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>
In-Reply-To: <20020907013917.GC16913@hades.hell.gr>

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

> In message: <20020906181354.C44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>
>             "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Correction.  Logic and ethics are meaningless without objective
> > standards, and objective standards are impossible without appealing
> > to something, well, *objective*.  "Objective" means that it comes to
> > you from the outside, externally, i.e. "not subjective".  So
> > immediately the opinions of men are eliminated.  What is left?
>
> The team.  The sum of a dozen people, is more than a dozen people.
> A team can define what is objective, without a need for anything
> supernatural.

So what if one of the members of your team decides he doesn't want
to play ball?  And by the way, that is not "objective".  You can't
vote on "objective" truth.  If it is objective, it is what it is
regardless of the majority opinion.  You are talking about collective
subjectivism.

Neal



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