From owner-freebsd-bugs Fri Jan 11 9:48:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E962D37B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0BHm9R63661; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sheldon Hearn" Cc: , Subject: RE: kern/33637: Panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:48:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c19ac8$21a6c9c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <50071.1010749252@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Sheldon Hearn [mailto:sheldonh@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za]On Behalf >Of Sheldon Hearn >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:41 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: gnb@itga.com.au; freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: kern/33637: Panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 > > > > >On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:33:01 PST, "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > >> But these sorts of bug reports are worthless to the FreeBSD team if >> the submitter is going to jump to conclusions that it's an OS bug and >> not even _try_ pursuing the possibility that it's an application bug. > >This is the only part of this thread that I'd like to comment on. :-) > >I don't agree with your statement above. While the originator's problem >might be most quickly resolved by first checking for an application >bug, the report is not worthless to the FreeBSD project, because it >demonstrates a somewhat reproducible kernel panic. > Sheldon, your right I was out of line saying that. I agree absolutely that if the submitter is willing to provide feedback and test patches that it's not worthless to the FreeBSD project. Of course there's no guarentee here that fixing FreeBSD will fix the submitters problem, but there's a chance. It is true that I was being unfair in assuming that this particular submitter on this PR is not going to follow up without giving him time to do so. > >I don't expect to change your mind, since you've been arguing your point >quite strongly, but I would like for the mailing list archives to show >that your opinion on the matter is not representative of the entire >project's mindshare. :-) > The main point I was arguing strongly was that the submitter is wrong to assume that the problem is not a result of an application bug in the absense of further test data, and particularly that if he goes to Diablo first that he will get it fixed faster. I presume that he wants Diablo running on his system, of course. But if the submitter is willing to test various things then your right - FreeBSD wants his report, whether it contains wrong assumptions or not. Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message