From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Aug 12 5:59:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from propane.zoomph.net (propane.zoomph.net [209.26.220.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A1D837B406 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anonymous@propane.zoomph.net) Received: (qmail 41712 invoked by uid 97); 12 Aug 2001 12:59:14 -0000 Date: 12 Aug 2001 12:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010812125914.41711.qmail@propane.zoomph.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: dev-null@no-id.com Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Netscape Browser [RANT] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "---Andy" wrote: ===== Some of us go ahead and disable Java and Javascript because it could pose a security problem. If you have questions in that regard, I'd advise you to take it up with www.cert.org unless, of course, you've come up with a fix for those problems which I think a lot of us would be more than happy if you would share said fixes. ===== So? I run my browsers (if you can call them that) in a restricted environment. Go read a few man pages before you begin to preach client-side security to me. If you've _looked_ at the Net lately, a lot of sites _insist_ that you have JavaScript enabled (e.g. www.hotmail.com). Maybe you should disable SSL too because of possible man-in-the-middle attacks. Seen the OpenWall Netscape/Mozilla JPEG processing heap corruption hole? Maybe you should just rm the browser to prevent exposure to future such holes. Disabling important features is NOT an appropriate fix for bugs/holes in browsers -- the browser should provide a reliable implementation or scrap the idea entirely. But I don't care about frigging security issues. None of them matter when the damn browser doesn't even do its most mundane duty properly. ===== That's because the original post from the original author mentioned how he was having problems with Yahoo! Chat locking up on him. For the uninitiated (which you seem to be one of, my friend, again used loosely), it is a Java based multi-user chat program. And I agree with the person that said that if you want to chat to use IRC. Why? How many RFCs are involved in the design/use of IRC? Compared to how many involved with the use/design of a Java based chatting solution? ===== Hello? I was the original author. I know what Yahoo! Chat is. I gave it as an example of an applet that triggers a problem inherent in Netscape itself. How did suggesting to use IRC over Yahoo help the discussion related to web browser problems? Answer: it didn't because it was an intentional smartass comment. Now where the hell does your IRC RFC question come into a discussion about web browsers? I'm not doing a "Yahoo! Chat vs. IRC" thread. What will you suggest next? Comparing apples to oranges? -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at www.no-id.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message