From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 17:51:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6DE5B063E for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2pHJ3Pqpz4pNn for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id h196so1822110ybg.1 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:51:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zLPIsbwmuJlgyGatn4WRmQws7OImgMInCuK6UKY1hcI=; b=D+PBtDvd575d1xPB4wr3G9092hVfsOgUaK/BQ1NUoqLdCJ8Gr/jV7cOEUKGQ3zPmDw Pp2+OMR4HWi39XtdizC+akdN9yndyA2V9yv7Tq2sHgga7eq6uw/fq61sgJ8BRJ/Mpyht 48HPRYmblS45agtV4lENBTj7sWbcRtP4KsAoRrNiwpl0AwdD8Hl5QPXh8ekZd7ivWI3C HZZcppU68GmrZyXuht1oYUMOFlb0KRbqCt1xl4T9UdTOo1iDqZ9X361Oil8B3wDvTssv qLBVuPWm6cdss84YolWFbIOI/5AKVlMG2JaNfb5+suXJ7TKjd4K10xHqY+weeDFUU/O3 0IfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zLPIsbwmuJlgyGatn4WRmQws7OImgMInCuK6UKY1hcI=; b=hWyORveUTdk8zU85qH/aMiWaPY2q6059ymQ9Uida0OsmAwsRd/FpOlFuzs5p7Jv8Mh VBppfv6Ea6FamGLlwZVnOuSbf99NwbNRJHD+/PDtCizyMxH0WGfW54ikO3jUP6Q4AZY/ +YNEPx7wj815g67iaAJdM8uYKlu3hC3JYcpxLe92cJhbeoWFsoRNxQKpkLWHoNIRvX+g c7FcQvvs9Er9/9zTqpk4XrKbr04iKXJqXJ/TisueSvKvk0dpKPbocirpCkw9Lf6jsJR9 E9pX0Or2ttEdg+0NHkG47VIgksSWsBGnGlxC8t5mZYk78arPDsqA/MmoyPrTltfMuIsE +7FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532p/aiRWZElOBdO9fhdhnGi+Qg3GZ8XRapv7Ii8mWbVSBgcu5gU fiiFKK6N8B/qE50twtqFqzhw5vizw3Uq2MxLgMnhtToNhxQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz6GwqNZeOzw8zsK9O2F5xy1T2B+vXZ7jSkOQjI3zrNDrL5hXooX2EdoBCldhWgiVs17gS3FhBmuuLpV4POTkM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:5146:: with SMTP id f67mr14514949ybb.332.1616262715636; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <20210320063427.000040f5@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: Mohammad Noureldin Cc: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2pHJ3Pqpz4pNn X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=D+PBtDvd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:51:57 -0000 On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:38 PM Mohammad Noureldin < mohammad@thelightbird.com> wrote: > > > That was said by only one - very loud - member of FreeBSD community, > > people here are much milder and way more polite. And I for one do not > share > > the view that FreeBSD in particular and open source systems in general > are > > only for people with [some] technical knowledge. > > > > That was exactly my point :) . One reason to share my opinions, though I am > new here, is that I have 100% trust in the openness, inclusiveness and > friendliness of the FreeBSD community. But some conversations may be read > in the wrong way in readers didn't read the details of the discussion. > You are missing the point I was making with the original comment on the who and why Unix was designed. It was not to say that it is only for technical people but it was to say when you run into an issue that requires you to dive into deeper water then normal you have no right to complain about how the deep end was designed to be so deep.... it was designed that way because you need deep water to safely have a (high) diving board to jump from when your doing more than just swimming laps.... so if you don't know how to swim (you only know how to float/dog paddle) you should not attempt to swim in the deep end... in this metaphor Unix (without a lot of very fancy GUI work like Apple does) is the deep end... i.e. you might not need or use the diving board but you have no right to complain about there being a deep end if you decide to do full pool laps (it is on you to get the skills needed to be in the deep end before entering it). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org