From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Thu Mar 8 03:08:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752C1F29428 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sonic317-49.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic317-49.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.184.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BE2C805D4 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1520478486; bh=rn+WcNPS3bLf5i9IkqccU+LBOyjEMLSlW8VUoLxHLZY=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=MN7053BpZR9T0oBX7oExBZSAuKXCUlBM1cXBcf330JfKRt4gi7nQ+wHyRVpBE3vkTgPS4qTppgqb7qgO+O/JQ2mAkZlS/xv4MMmDz4OkwGQMkYsO62avsIwu2Vuf0/rjb1TUzT6zL/HvnJPGyvyYS5FmKf+eRgRS/rOGEK1r3bJHAtbLdsiitVMBpIzPvyueiNMd1h1IsTcn/OGCSeqt3GELXy6suGDzwX/AHbOEQeCIw33E/ogh47fs3YgDnNxrflMFQwBnOZLmvd6ohGOO4AM+3SqUgH9F7qWyo/wRSML+Cha8H5HDflxKBKJhooS6z//hQceApDffwHIulcmjuA== X-YMail-OSG: g7E7L60VM1mfzY1948sMqFm5LUZfoGG8bfoNpxtqNBnYxMbbLwMVmweawUF3EOJ fHGIEQmXJjK6htdxiVUNX8Ie.P0j7zYLmArxh43VuDXdI3IZQ1ujF2jyjx4YPl8lwg2mHcqRfWzn ObG0FGFlPWrzZzXrF68IV4kVJW3dg4Y90_NCBIF9V1DE8puJujX603wxwxuSF.GqY1ypdmfEfcGs a04YxphbEJjdxF9Ku6MrhNqpQEhF3uxrBgGhl2gmKsFGScJ_Iw9eqnmz0_cTztZofXaHGs28OArT 6SFagXrKB3.dvhhoHZJ2mBjVFcYrL9yvaBrkaa2is6GSFLjkQlv9jBIyztcWlBrRVBxJSVbtF9Ng 3w2XDP8EwcInrDSvYBdbnfvC.oMwlKPo6hcP1RI1.BzLPWOOs3HCg5g9m3TzMeuHoh9n0l19P3Al sX.0ZBFvfe6j0vobJASNZtOpMyrxB1Z3Brgn973lqSLDX0vjvQFRuRTI.xZrK8494h7qz3w90b1o 2SL7MUeXQY7s- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:08:06 +0000 Received: from smtp232.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.5]) ([10.218.253.209]) by smtp415.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 8ac47896d75b8b22d21110794859aedd; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 02:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: svn commit: r330601 - head/sys/i386/ibcs2 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Eitan Adler , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org References: <201803071444.w27EiWBV053244@repo.freebsd.org> <20180307211955.GA63140@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Pedro Giffuni Organization: FreeBSD Project Message-ID: <93cd021e-d652-4f57-df3b-268b3bdce0c2@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 21:47:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180307211955.GA63140@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 03:08:08 -0000 On 07/03/2018 16:19, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 01:20:14PM -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> FWIW ... >> >> ibcs2 is candidate for future removal. > It is probably time again to see if actual users exist. ibcs2 has wasted > a few hours of my time over the last few months so keeping it does have > a non-zero cost. FWIW, I used it long ago on FreeBSD with Unesco's ISIS database software but the software is not developed anymore. >> We tried to get some vendor interest in it but we failed and given this >> is very i386-specific it is probably not worth spending huge efforts on it. >> >> cloudabi seems to be, for all purposes, a better conceptual replacement. > This comment doesn't make much sense. iBCS is the Intel Binary > Compatibility Standard, an obsolete ABI for i386 Unixes such as Xenix, > SCO, and UnixWare. Cloudabi is, in a sense, taking Capsicum to its > logical extreme and totally unrelated. It is also a binary format (ELF-based) that can run on several platforms including Linux and FreeBSD. It clearly targets the cloud market, which makes more sense nowadays than the i386 use space which were common in the early 90s. Pedro.