From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2EA16A4CE; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B429543FDF; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) hB4JUJvq062419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:30:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)hB4JUHcu062415; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:30:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (localhost.klemm.apsfilter.org [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB4JQuRX020233; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:26:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost)hB4JQtOT020232; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:26:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:26:55 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Alexey Dokuchaev Message-ID: <20031204192655.GA19989@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <20031201032205.GA41354@dragon.nuxi.com> <20031201033904.GD75620@elvis.mu.org> <20031201221606.GA78852@regency.nsu.ru> <20031201231430.GI75620@elvis.mu.org> <20031201161527.T97771@qbhto.arg> <20031202045041.GB4997@regency.nsu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031202045041.GB4997@regency.nsu.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-BETA X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/scripts print-cdrom-packages.sh X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:30:27 -0000 On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:50:41AM +0600, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 04:16:58PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > But really, vim will get us more converts, > > > > I find it very hard to believe that people who care so much about what > > editor they use wouldn't be willing to install it from ports. OTOH, the > > I'm also concerned about another bloat^Wpiece of contributed code we'd > have to maintain in the base, in case of vim import. > > ./danfe second that. I think vim is a great piece of software but ... its somehow really "kind of bloated". Its so overloaded with functions, that I refuse since year to use it as my standard editor. The normal sysadmin expects something like vi. He reads an vi handbook, and we should provide such kind of standard vi. The ports collection exactly covers things like vim, emacsen, etc ... BTW, robert, if you already think of terms to "waste" time for loadable editor modules ... the only thing I'm really missing in standard vi is an extended command line with - history function - save history and - editable like everything other compiled and linked with readline lib. That would be a great change to nvi, that brings the most important user friendlyness, that really would be a big win ... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/