From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 21 08:40:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F41065674 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ECB8FC1E for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id q5L8eFqX032792 ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:40:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 164 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5ADCC20533; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:40:14 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_360EFF47-7B6A-45E1-9C78-C359A2936BCB"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Michel Talon In-Reply-To: <20120621015237.GB58187@neutralgood.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:40:11 +0200 Message-Id: References: <402199FE-380B-41B6-866B-7D5D66C457D5@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120621015237.GB58187@neutralgood.org> To: kpneal@pobox.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4FE2DDEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4FE2DDEF.001/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Why Clang X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:40:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_360EFF47-7B6A-45E1-9C78-C359A2936BCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Le 21 juin 2012 =E0 03:52, kpneal@pobox.com a =E9crit : >=20 > All of this may seem stupid to a reasonable person outside of law. = I'll agree > that it probably does look stupid. But it is also the reality of the = legal > systems we must live with today. I can only praise kpneal for this very well argumented post. However = some remarks. The whole argument revolves around FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt. But = there will never be any shortage of lawyers trying to spread FUD on any subject to = please their clients, and if companies "bend over" instead of fighting FUD they will = promptly be paralyzed. Last time a company tried to use such tactic against Linux, it did not = turn out a bright idea. Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this = argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD = itself. If FreeBSD appears as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure = this will be good for its further development. This being said, i agree with you that the = FreeBSD binaries will not see a big performance degradation through the use of clang, so, as = long as gcc is in the ports to be used with performance critical stuff, it is no big deal. Anyways = as a long time FreeBSD user i have seen clang presented as an experiment by two or three = people, and then suddenly stuffed without any discussion in the base system, apparently for political = reasons that i don't share (i mean this stupid obsession of "GPL free" system, which has replaced = the previous focus on quality and performance). -- Michel Talon talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr --Apple-Mail=_360EFF47-7B6A-45E1-9C78-C359A2936BCB--