From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Apr 24 21:16:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12582C2C01 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@unidef.org) Received: from mail-lj1-x242.google.com (mail-lj1-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::242]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4986Rf2Xrhz48Wm for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@unidef.org) Received: by mail-lj1-x242.google.com with SMTP id f11so6841053ljp.1 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=unidef.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Bv+QZ3+IcPz45XDWBl+zmPOj0Zdzge9kClp9b1L/tKM=; b=R+6GiJKY8hXlKgwh1fJ7k9w7Sw7HP/OO0z6QgijWGBYKNPztpiBlp3t58XT+feL2uc ESAlZ8ghmBRzxcTeIwL6FbJO8K3QlbfX3SD6QyVxc6lCewSrk5u5pK/nLEvziX8SSOfq 87Rrm2D0JI2YwQDIHtLu+6pEHcz1tRW5TJdLoJXqrJ3S/KrS4z68dcmIbHqh8zRtybnV JrXiiqZ7z6Kti/YDAdTyU9JGKw9A/hyVq5vktNoGguMY35ME0fvhKUyuhNOgA/uiZcSg xMiAKuMpXjCk8q1RTdKDnPL7vfOQvHpOdWiehxxp9HWIgjDPuvb150zNh34B0TdNlxX0 qySg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Bv+QZ3+IcPz45XDWBl+zmPOj0Zdzge9kClp9b1L/tKM=; b=KyuiNW2rqObjAWoUmfqv//yYC/jVgEfvFKRg8tn65eefSawFX1sjiWJuTd08FRSkd8 6X+KjXWdGImNwrRMrdkBXxyCXHgCse8dVX5nfKhbiwGk2ukiqAzHkpvpw9SmqO6rrVy8 nAWxf7zHeOTsAu76Yiy+7I/jl3T7F6mJqKg1ZNA1/WC1NUdSp7rPFGTYCa6Ixi176mU0 IYmUuNTBJSEppv2OLxZFDsbPG9U//q8vArkrN4hXoyWeBnQRPKLdCjwQZLvtshIkbA3u F/b/gYpYu2/svmjmAmae6uzJLBREsabpVQBn/qRcWkT7UY2xyQtWCMJBb9Gu1hD9qnVk h1pA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubicpNDYxqFAydl9qSUIzgT8WCTy6qKRhZ/nxssvuzSaBWGcD0a dN0/3iC7U/QR+QTfaLOq97N27FGbsO1VKmhk3iosZKxI3Zw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJo/zU6U5q2hp65b1Vtam3cqvHSL6LG0rlSMgQyXeOGspGSN2v4cUHJkBdThP2TKff2E1mTg9jfiMD8seT8ZRA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7610:: with SMTP id r16mr7369391ljc.156.1587762987754; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Unidef Defshrizzle Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:16:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: I feel compelled to write this, on my Android F1 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4986Rf2Xrhz48Wm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=unidef.org header.s=google header.b=R+6GiJKY; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@unidef.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::242 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@unidef.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[unidef.org:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unidef.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[unidef.org:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[ip: (2.73), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:16:31 -0000 The kernel isn't just a forward tool for communicating with to hardware to a hacker, but a method of implementing an algorithm or fancy code or a particular hack to the hardware through software, especially to the freebsd hacker. Example, a sound card has been reversed engineered to work with freebsd, instead of your basic functions you can interact with various userland applications, do messaging functions, or even make things parallel, example is amplify to 5.1 using outside libraries or a hack The kernel is a design to keep hardware happy, if you have coding ability and like making full usage of it, find old drivers and improve them and add your craft to the project I'll write more as I research freebsds kernel