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Meyer" , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r343118 - in head/usr.sbin: . trim In-Reply-To: Message from Enji Cooper of "Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:42:04 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:41:05 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFC3kqow5XAF1uflEJ7j44LDb4dyYbIK3puaDxQxYfQU1HpFyQIHO9p2lhr33hgJYGVQ69wMfiMDJT0yjjIveOyO9ZUwN+HCy78ROHCffewwioOL1SAg QqhS9wblrIQHJk8en3/YgnR6CY0nTa2EGho847s7QfzwMJ/+kxzuvrSUqJuWPMvPxt3YLaOzeoVPC802QOJBBNSEqVeQAGPrrpiXPtamL//1GDucfSe5WmiX 1+q6qOjgsnMAMg+t9hjF/uT0gdzvZYgHg4OIj53k3eh5mI3sRUA4U1MrRTcaQsrnBhVTzWcGyytesoN322uHvdnOrqUPlZR8KPtFceFk8FmQw0bJkZ1UNX2Q RPtKf7rK X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 824426C279 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.975,0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[137.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.76)[ip: (-4.54), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.36), asn: 6327(-1.82), country: CA(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 02:41:09 -0000 In message , Enji Cooper writes : > > > --Apple-Mail=_6CB1620B-6707-4F06-B7FF-9F1ECBA36F56 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > > > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Maxim Sobolev = > wrote: > >=20 > > What I think we really need is some way to easily porti-ze useful = > stuff that would otherwise go into /usr/[s]bin, so adding things would = > be just as easy as hooking up SUBDIR into usr.[s]bin/Makefile. Yes, I = > know, this is topic almost as old as the FreeBSD Project itself, but = > perhaps we just did not approach it the right way. It was always the = > idea that we would just move bunch of stuff from src/usr.[s]bin repo = > into ports/. Which brings several important question such as "who is to = > host the distfile"? "where sources hosted", "who is to update the port = > when changes happen?" etc. > > Projects like this could be hosted on GitHub. Ports supports GitHub out = > of the box, so this seems like a low barrier for entry (the bonus of = > doing this is that the projects could potentially be used by other = > non-FreeBSD projects, and contributed by others outside the FreeBSD = > project; the downside is having to deal with FreeBSD CI, as Travis CI = > only supports Linux (IIRC making Travis support FreeBSD is a non-trivial = > project, but it=E2=80=99s likely a very worthwhile goal, as it would = > make it easier to catch issues upfront with third-party projects that = > FreeBSD consumes, like llvm), enforcing style (can be done with git = > commit hooks and GitHub checks), etc. I would really like to do these = > things because it=E2=80=99s difficult getting folks to support FreeBSD = > in third-party projects as-is. Lowering the barrier of entry would allow = > FreeBSD and its developers to better scale (and make FreeBSD more of a = > first-class OS). Yes. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.