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Date:      Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:12:04 +0100
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>
Cc:        tcltk@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r290637 - head/lib/libc/locale
Message-ID:  <20151110161204.GM10134@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
In-Reply-To: <5642163E.1050405@freebsd.org>
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 07:07:26PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> On 10.11.2015 16:36, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 04:20:38PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> >> On 10.11.2015 16:04, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 03:48:52PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> >>>> On 10.11.2015 11:11, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> >>>>> Author: bapt
> >>>>> Date: Tue Nov 10 08:11:27 2015
> >>>>> New Revision: 290637
> >>>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/290637
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Log:
> >>>>>   return "US-ASCII" instead of "POSIX" for "C" and "POSIX" locales
> >>>>>   as it used to be in previous version of the locales. Returning
> >>>>>   "POSIX" has too many fallouts.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can return "ANSI_X3.4-1968" (another name of "US-ASCII") to be
> >>>> different with real US-ASCII. It is what glibc returns for C/POSIX
> >>>> locale and most ports expected, being linux-oriented.
> >>>>
> >>> I thought about it, but in the end it is probably safer for now that =
nl_langinfo
> >>> return US-ASCII as it did in the past, to reduce breakage with FreeBS=
D only code
> >>> that maybe be existing ou there.
> >>
> >> All FreeBSD code I know never check locale this way. IMHO probability =
of
> >> potential danger to meet some linux-oriented port with this check is
> >> much much higher than to meet similar FreeBSD only code in the wild. In
> >> any case, changing collate order from A-Za-z to aA-zZ we do just now
> >> have much higher probability to break unknown FreeBSD only code, so one
> >> breaking change can go with other one together.
> >>
> > That is true, except that the new collation thing is invalidated as soo=
n as you
> > set LC_COLLATE=3DC which bring your back to A-Za-z. So you have a worka=
round while
> > changing the return value of nl_langinfo() is not workaroundable.
>=20
> Well, forget my improper comparison with collate and see this bug in
> action right now, in our port tcl8.6.4/unix/tclUnixInit.c:
>=20
> See localeTable and comment above it, there is internal "ansi_x3.4-1968"
> (i.e. POSIX locale), internal "ascii" and even no alias for our
> "us-ascii" at all.
>=20
> It gets info through nl_langinfo(CODESET), lowercased. I.e. not using
> "ANSI_X3.4-1968" breaks all tcl ports right now, this is more essential
> than hypothetical private FreeBSD only code no one see.

That one is a valid point, that also means that is is broken right now on
FreeBSD 10 and below?

Best regards,
Bapt

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