From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 3 15:28:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4CD16A420 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:28:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B33A43D49 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:28:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 96115 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 15:28:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=41DZjZuO9tq6r1132u4dau7aaV40xJs4IMkycj6/xX5ux5eZeDfdoiNBvvLJEgPUjDg4QxyS4BCJ2YDvxU4hcZs+iybBbeel8ETI5xJABeESbJ0BNxG911jzQY0wBTzSmcetB1C++rkDodqeJg/+pvlIBvFl4A/eQxiD0/ZKtRk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.31.50.218?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.31.50.218 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 15:28:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4408607C.9040703@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:27:56 -0500 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JoaoBR References: <44077E79.2080708@rogers.com> <200603022333.52835.joao@matik.com.br> <4407B194.5050609@rogers.com> <200603030545.45427.joao@matik.com.br> In-Reply-To: <200603030545.45427.joao@matik.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install on gmirror'ed disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:28:03 -0000 JoaoBR wrote: > On Friday 03 March 2006 00:01, Mike Jakubik wrote: > >> Because most Linux distributions have had this feature for a while now. >> It's no secret that our installer blows. It gets the job done for a >> basic install, provided you know its quirks, and thats it. >> >> > > I don't think that having or not a raid option at install time is classifying > the installer as behind nor I think it is important. Freebsd's installer > probably lacks a nice look but on the other side it is clear and direct and > you get without lots of questions and blabla the system up and running in > 5-10 minutes what certainly is straight forward and not behind. > > Well, thats your opinion, which i doubt many people share. > The only advantage I can see is when you really want raid at install time and > that definitly is not usual. > > What planet are you from? It's very usual. You setup RAID before you copy data to the array, not the other way around. > Even if *your* opinion is that Freebsd is not intended for average users it is > used by thousends of them. > > I seriously doubt they don't know what RAID is. > Setting up raid with gmirror on FBSD is as easy as dd'ing an image to a floppy > disk so I do not see where you wast your time - still less since you do not > need to reinstall the OS again. So who is confused here is you. > > You fail to see the point, please don't get involved on this topic any more. I didn't ask to debate the above advantages, with people that don't have a clue what they are talking about.