From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 03:07:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5FF1065674 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A03B8FC1D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7rxL1b00D0Fqzac542u4Zp; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:54:04 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.34.211.11]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 82tn1b01C0FJTGg3U2tom3; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:53:48 +0000 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LRHbu-0002pF-TB for ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:54:02 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov To: ports@freebsd.org Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:54:02 -0500 Cc: Subject: An upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.3_1,1/libxcb-1.1.93 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ports@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:07:20 -0000 I upgraded my X Window system today, with these instructions in mind: # /usr/ports/UPDATING 20090124: sysutils/hal has been updated and should now properly detect mice for use in Xorg. Use of AllowEmptyInput should no longer be needed for most users and moused should now work fine. 20090123: Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and /dev/sysmouse. My system is 7.1-STABLE, and I did a full rebuild of relevant ports; my window manager is `twm'. Based on my experience, I have a few questions: 1. Up until this upgrade, I have always avoided using HAL, setting "WITHOUT_HAL = yes" in my /etc/make.conf file. Today's rebuild with this setting resulted in the mouse (and I think keyboard, too) not working in X. Following the 20090123 note, I commented out the WITHOUT_HAL option in /etc/make.conf and rebuild everything again, modified `etc/rc.conf' appropriately -- and the X input is working fine again. So, is HAL a mandatory component (from the X11 perspective) now? If so, these lines in `x11-servers/xorg-server/Makefile' don't really make sense: OPTIONS= HAL "Compile with HAL config support"... .if !defined(WITHOUT_HAL) (not having HAL is not an option) -- right? 2. As soon as my new X was up, I started to notice consistent appearances of garbage in my `xterm's -- the garbage that is easily removed by redrawing a window. More than a year ago, I switched my workstation (not this computer) from Debian to FreeBSD, where my primary motivation was to try to get rid of the sporadic and quite often garbage in the work windows -- after I switched to FreeBSD, I have never seen that garbage again. The essential point here is that Debian used HAL, and FreeBSD didn't. Does anybody know if HAL can be a plausible cause of this annoyance? It would be great if it were possible to switch to the new X without bringing in HAL, at least for some time -- too many variables changed in this transition and I am not sure what configuration variation to try next to identify the source of the garbage. -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- /* * There are no emotional victims, only volunteers. */