From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:01:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97FF97CA for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41ECD2AED for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s67K1Y5H090439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s67K1WqK090436; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:01:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ian Smith Subject: Re: Should 9.3 carry a warning about NEW_XORG In-Reply-To: <20140706220006.K50382@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <53B69B88.4060803@gmail.com> <20140705103235.GB7680@rwpc15.gfn.riverwillow.net.au> <20140706220006.K50382@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Cc: John Marshall , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 20:01:37 -0000 On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Ian Smith wrote: > It seems that if you upgrade from 9.1 or 9.2 you will need to manually > intervene, either way .. please correct any incorrect assumptions: > > . if you don't wish your ports updated to new Xorg you'll need to add > WITHOUT_NEW_XORG to make.conf before updating any relevant ports, though > - inconsistently? - any installed packages, including those on the DVD, > will still be for old Xorg. Until you are sure this is the safer way - > but you have to know about it when upgrading. > > . if you do want ports updated to new Xorg and you have older graphics > hardware you'll need to compile a VT kernel to get vt switching from X > back .. and you'll need to add the new repo to get new Xorg packages. > > Seeing that a perhaps not miniscule proportion of 9.x X users will need > to do some manual configuration on upgrading to 9.3, a relevant WARNING > in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/relnotes.html should be helpful. I can agree with the idea of a note, just have no clear idea what it should say. If people are shown how to stick with the old xorg, they will be marooned and ports that require the newer version will not work. People that upgrade may find their hardware no longer supported. That's sort of the price of progress with technology.