From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 21:33:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A41106564A for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39C18FC0C for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so1387871vcm.13 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rsimmons0@gmail.com designates 10.52.72.107 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.72.107; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rsimmons0@gmail.com designates 10.52.72.107 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rsimmons0@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rsimmons0@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.72.107]) by 10.52.72.107 with SMTP id c11mr20871512vdv.132.1330810422326 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W4aUr7Fnpu7iR+uuDy1Ny3C1jNAouCNxyFyMh83vKKc=; b=lsb7tcpNe1fa4Rla0sSz9QYdbVt1j81/uDKjlwTXPGet9Vgl2+Oc5OL5kBNxD9HhOg 1IdTluR/+M4UtNwJ6aM3hgfvWMM+iGlNEMeLkbKzMMKlHtCbIPMu3CB7AovN9YRC4Ia/ hyYHfy4Lz9GwgW11wEHkxqxcMSJp8YEXt9mU92IMyht+BQ26dj7RBrekiv4jX3z3BYnZ XBUodX6A9TXb/1pmUtqA18KzhAXFfFphNf158mzShLOF7teVt+xMgfQUOS00ZNbffzqB DeWPU7idJMYbHR0QW7Jk369iVX/iniMf7y/bhOpOCkrTqd/gJ/TuncO9QCNciaKElAn2 8T5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.72.107 with SMTP id c11mr17889916vdv.132.1330810422060; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.65.114 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120303083141.1975c60c@scorpio> References: <86fwdqvf2x.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20120302171631.775dd715@scorpio> <867gz2vdtg.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20120302182156.58c10d82@scorpio> <4F515B24.9050406@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120303071958.0c963330@scorpio> <4F52134E.1090408@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120303083141.1975c60c@scorpio> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: openssl from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:33:43 -0000 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:49:18 +0000 > Matthew Seaman articulated: > >> Unfortunately I can't answer that. =A0I'm not in any position to decide >> such things. >> >> However I can hazard a guess at some of the possible reasons: >> >> =A0 =A0* openssl API changes between 0.9.x and 1.0.0 mean updating the >> =A0 =A0 =A0shlibs is not a trivial operation, and it was judged that the >> =A0 =A0 =A0benefits obtained from updating did not justify the effort. >> >> =A0 =A0* no one had any time to import the new version. =A0There's plent= y of >> =A0 =A0 =A0security-critical stuff depending on openssl, and making sure= all >> =A0 =A0 =A0of that didn't suffer from any regressions is not a trivial j= ob. >> >> =A0 =A0* simply that no one thought of doing the upgrade. > > Thanks Matthew. Personally, I have my own take on the matter. Regarding > your first two possibility, I believe the problem can be directly > traced to "procrastination". At some point in time, there will come the > need to update the base system's OPENSSL version. Procrastination only > doubles the work you have to do tomorrow. It reminds me of what a > college professor once told me, "There is never enough time to do it > right, but there is always enough time to do it over." Sad but true. > > As to your third possibility, the need to update the port has been > mentioned several times on this forum over the past year. I find it > extremely improbable that no one considered the possibility that the > existing application might not be up-to-date. Yet, as has been stated > numerous times, if you always expect the worst in people you will > never be disappointed. I'm replying off-list. No need to reply this back onto the list. Please don't accuse a volunteer project of procrastination. If there is not enough manpower to make a change to the operating system, then roll up your sleeves and contribute. Throwing non-constructive insults at the project when you yourself are not contributing to the effort that you're complaining about achieves nothing. I've seen this type of attitude many times over the years in free software projects from users, and it shouldn't continue. Also, please don't feel insulted. We both like FreeBSD. Just make your contributions constructive.