From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon May 13 00:18:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536F315A6424; Mon, 13 May 2019 00:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80DDB90195; Mon, 13 May 2019 00:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CF95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.207.149]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4D0HsUC088774 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 May 2019 02:17:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id x4D0HrFf048087; Mon, 13 May 2019 02:17:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x4D0HTkn085211; Mon, 13 May 2019 02:17:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201905130017.x4D0HTkn085211@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Eugene Grosbein cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs http://stolenvotes.uk User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 12 May 2019 04:11:07 +0700." <730e3c61-de6a-240b-5310-c29884750163@grosbein.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 02:17:29 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 80DDB90195 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; URI_HIDDEN_PATH(1.00)[http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.891,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.613,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: slim.berklix.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.90.185.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[149.207.82.46.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:94.185.88.0/22, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.17)[ip: (0.64), ipnet: 94.185.88.0/22(0.32), asn: 33824(-0.08), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 00:18:05 -0000 Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 11.05.2019 22:59, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >> 11.05.2019 21:32, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> > >>>> I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet drivers > >>>> as previous approved in FCP-101. > >>>> The following drivers are slated for > >>>> removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): > >>>> > >>>> ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > >>> > >>> OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of > >>> spare) that will never be able to upgrade. > >> > >> Do those boxes have 10M-only or 100Mbps variants of ed(4)? > >> What kind of hardware do they have (CPU and memory-wise)? > > > > Thanks for question. I ran a quick check: > > cd /usr/src; > > # Apply my patches: > > # customise `pwd` > > # http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise > > cd /sys/amd64/conf > > grep device [A-Z][A-Z][A-Z][A-Z].small | grep ed > > DUAL.small:device ed > > FILM.small:device ed > > KING.small:device ed > > LAPA.small:device ed > > LAPD.small:device ed > > LAPL.small:device ed > > LAPN.small:device ed > > LOFT.small:device ed > > MINI.small:device ed > > SCAN.small:device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 15 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 0x10000 > > SLIM.small:device ed > > SNOW.small:device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 5 iomem 0xc8000 > > WIND.small:device ed > > I've asked not for configuration files but for description of hardware. > ed(4) supports many different models. Some of them do 10Mbps only > but some are 100M-capable including PCI-connected. > > And it's interesting to know what is CPU and memory type/amount of boxes. Info I had long pre saved, exported here: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/hosts/ Many boxes run newer releases than logs show, but eg dmesg shows memory etc. Re Gary's: > 2) what versions of FBSD is Julian now running on his hardware? > 3) does he ever plan to upgrade this hardware to >= FBSD 13? Not many, if any of them; I should idealy find time to purge some, but I also have sundry newer PCs, & spare ed etc cards, so a pity to loose ed. More generaly It won't be just me with ed. With 13 I can power up any time, (+ other pcmcia & PCI & ISA cards in boxes) there's probably many more globaly. But sys admins often don't have time to read developer lists like current@ & arch@. So developer considering zapping things, will not be seen by users it will hit later. First many will know is seeing in a RELNOTES "XYZ will be removed in release [0-9].[0-9]" No chance to answer an earlier "Are many still using XYZ, we're thinking of deleting it ?" If ed is the biggest legacy NIC, best be cautious ? (BTW I also have 2 boxes running today's current, not just old Rels here.) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers died.