From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 10 13:03:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28595 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28589 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12523 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12951; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199706101954.PAA12951@sabre.goldsword.com> To: alex@comsys.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: US West Pulls Dry Copper Tarrif, Angers ISPs] Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 23:51:58 -0700 alex huppenthal said: >For those of us working to bring out inexpensive high bandwidth >solutions, this bites. US West is afraid to compete on an >even playing field. Call your Senator, write to your PUC and >express your dissatisfaction with this action. > >HDSL is used by the telco's to provision T1 circuits so it >doesn't 'interfere' with adjacent wire pairs. > > -Alex Don't feel bad, ALL the in place telcos are doing it... If I understood what Bell$outh has said, "The tariff may still exist, but we won't give you the circuit..." And well, they do have a point. They use HDSL to carry T-1 circuits, but HDSL isn't the same as ADSL which is what a lot of sites were putting in place. ADSL can effect other circuits in the same bundle, to the extent of effectively dumping your circuit or the T-1 circuit. It all depends on the how many ADSL circuits are in the bundle, how many HDSL circuits in the bundle, etc. Having said that, I still think it sucks. Bell$outh is competing with ISP's to the point of signing up customers when they order a 2nd line ("And will you be using that 2nd line with your computer? Yes, well you need to sign up for Bellsouth.net for Internet service. Please hold and I will switch you to that desk...") Most of the telco's are crying that it's unfair to let all those CAPs in now, before we get all the rules sorted out, But, you need to let us (Bellsouth) go ahead and compete with everybody else for internet, long distance, video, etc... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting