Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 03:09:30 -0400 From: Mike Remski <mremski@comcast.net> To: <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <9bc85f04-ed38-4d5a-bec3-551079cdcb2b@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3649C0BF47DD657D625BCB79DDC10@QB1PR01MB3649.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <CAPyFy2AVfEzey0%2B9-b8ZS1uyn8ODOoNhCHY7fHp2uc9ASiw%2BnA@mail.gmail.com> <QB1PR01MB3649C0BF47DD657D625BCB79DDC10@QB1PR01MB3649.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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On Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:39:45 PM EDT, Rick Macklem wrote: > Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: >> Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience >> with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-review-f= reebsd-12-1-release/ >>=20 >> There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, >> but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience ...= > Since this is a public mailing list, I'll repost here... > > One thought here that I'll throw out (I have no idea if others=20 > have suggested > this before)=E2=80=A6 > What about creating a separate release for desktops/laptops that installs > X Windows etc from a simple installer "out of the box"? > --> To keep it simple, don't try to support all hardware, just=20 > stuff that is widely > available and already well supported by the drivers in FreeBSD. > Obviously amd64 only plus a few widely available display=20 > chip sets that work > well, etc and so on... > > If it doesn't support the hardware someone has, then they can go the regula= r > release/install route. (It would be nice to maintain an up to=20 > date list of what > hardware it supports, but it might be easier to just have it=20 > start up live CD > style and then see if the hardware it needs is there. > --> Sorry, can't do this display chipset to that sound chip or... > > Just an idea, rick > ps: I am not volunteering to help do this. I run FreeBSD on laptop/desktop > systems, but bare bones. No X Windows... Something like what old PCBSD did? How about FuryBSD as a starting point? =20= Joe Maloney is layering either XFCE or KDE (2 different ISO/install media)=20= on top of a FreeBSD install, so out of the box, the install gives you=20 FreeBSD with either XFCE or KDE. Disclaimer: I've been using FreeBSD with X as a daily driver for a long=20 time and honestly never found it that difficult to set up. Hardest was=20 when everything started to need the drm-kmod bits, but once I understood=20 what I needed to do, it's not been an issue.
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