From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 20:49:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE7D7B0D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isis.morrow.me.uk (isis.morrow.me.uk [204.109.63.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E5E2FA3 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from anubis.morrow.me.uk (host86-182-14-79.range86-182.btcentralplus.com [86.182.14.79]) (Authenticated sender: mauzo) by isis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 723DD45038 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:49:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 isis.morrow.me.uk 723DD45038 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=morrow.me.uk; s=dkim201101; t=1404766157; bh=qOZ1voKscjtZnNqcZqjpdhT73YwMnDGBHDqUG5zbW18=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=ANN4GhW1ciwarnrwwZLY0Nsh0657xGnpV/Q38dJWu4w6dcqDQO4L9Ne6zno0Pt2mo DTgdRf4RRmU4UGh4sdIXuRcX3lL7zmYkdXfUyoSVvz5CSyZArD3Gcpf75aKwy3C+Si lEeClDCVWqqWLjwBSgFnJn2L14Yu4HXIVRYSh3bI= X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.1 at isis.morrow.me.uk Received: by anubis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix, from userid 5001) id C7E2F1410D; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:49:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:49:15 +0100 From: Ben Morrow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Should 9.3 carry a warning about NEW_XORG Message-ID: <20140707204912.GA11191@anubis.morrow.me.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <53B69B88.4060803@gmail.com> <20140705103235.GB7680@rwpc15.gfn.riverwillow.net.au> <20140706220006.K50382@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.stable User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 20:49:18 -0000 Quoth Warren Block : > On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Ian Smith wrote: > > > Seeing that a perhaps not miniscule proportion of 9.x X users will need > > to do some manual configuration on upgrading to 9.3, a relevant WARNING > > in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/relnotes.html should be helpful. > > I can agree with the idea of a note, just have no clear idea what it > should say. If people are shown how to stick with the old xorg, they > will be marooned and ports that require the newer version will not work. > People that upgrade may find their hardware no longer supported. That's > sort of the price of progress with technology. (No, it's the price of depending on a CADT upstream. It's a shame FreeBSD doesn't have the manpower to maintain a fork, since that would really be the only reliable option at this point.) The note should say exactly what you just said: there are no good options. Many configurations will either break now or break soon, unless you're willing to fall back to VESA-only (is that likely to remain a viable option in all cases?). While this is a deplorable situation, there is nothing the FreeBSD project can do about it. Ben