From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:14:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073C9616 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDFF8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVNEhiM039386; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVNEcij039383; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Alfred Perlstein" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:48 -0000 Greetings Alfred, and thank you for the response. > On 12/31/12 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: >> | I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? >> >> Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. >> >> All the best. >> > You still really haven't come forward with a concrete reason besides "my > workflow" and "my scripts". > > Svn is a *near* drop in replacement for CVS. > > If instead of complaining and taking up bandwidth on the lists about old > tech, you instead asked about how to move your archaic setup forward > then someone would likely step forward and lend you a hand. I /believe/ I covered this in response to an earlier reply. So I'll try to respond, by quoting it here: > What did you find easier to accomplish with CVS than with SVN? I'm going to resist the temptation to respond to this, out of respect to you, and the list -- lest it turn into a "flame fest" || "bikeshed". I understand that in the core development teams opinion, that the project became too unwieldy to continue maintaining it under CVS. That's their opinion, it's really their project, and I must respect _their_ opinion. That doesn't mean I like it -- or even agree. But, as I am the recipient of the fruits of their labor, who am I to disagree. But, none-the-less, opinions are like ass...ahem... backsides; everyone has one. :) There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) > > The project's goal is to support a large user base and the developers in > a manner that works with our resources. Supporting CVS (a 2nd gen VCS) > while we have been on a 3rd gen (svn) and are finally looking into a 4th > gen (git) is just unfair. I won't contend, nor do I believe that you have not put adequate research/investigation into all of this. And I can see that given it's continued growth has prompted much -- if not all of these changes. I would only argue at this point, that making changes mid-stream makes it difficult for all concerned. I guess when it gets down to it, I just wish that all these "changes" could have been evaluated to a point that would require one one -- if any. Make no mistake, I am keenly aware that much has been done to help minimize the impact -- and I _greatly_ appreciate it, and _all_ of the work you all put into it. I guess I, like all humans, are resistant to change (unless it's one they choose). But I have a tremendous amount of "tweaked" ports && src I've been accumulating/maintaining over the years, and _any_ change will come at great cost. Sorry, maybe I'm just whining, but there it is. :/ > > If you took a few minutes you'd fine the svn command set intuitive and a > simple switch over from CVS. I'll take your advice. I must admit, it's been awhile, since I've had the need. I probably should look again. Thank you for the advice, and taking the time to respond. --Chris P.S. Happy New Year! :) > > > -Alfred > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >