From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 15 16: 9:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847F037B401 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (cae57-176-131.sc.rr.com [66.57.176.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3531C43E4A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:09:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG09MED034320; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:09:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:09:22 -0500 (EST) From: Wesley Morgan To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DISABLE_PSE & DISABLE_PG_G still needed? In-Reply-To: <3DD58A8F.A402D461@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20021115190426.G33491-100000@volatile.chemikals.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Based on this, are you recommending that the DISABLE_* still be used? Will I never see the problem with 512mb of ram? On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > The amount of RAM will also affect it. It can also happen on P3's > and AMD K6's. It is a CPU bug related to the use of 4M pages. Let's not dance around the issue. Software has bugs. Hardware has defects. > Bosko understands the problem (I have explained it to him under > non-disclosure), and he has a patch which avoids it without really > disclosing the problem, which I'm OK with. Using the patch cranks So basically, there is a DEFECT in something that either Intel or AMD has some me (you, everyone) and they will not disclose the defect, honor any warranties, or provide fixes for the problem? How... crappy. Reminds me of the Redhat/DMCA suppressed patch. I think consumers have a right to know about any defects in something they have bought. And I also think that the marketer should assume some liability for selling defective hardware (even though software makers seem to be able to get away with it). But this is getting way off topic :P -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message