From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 6 13:01:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2928F16A417 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from askbill@conducive.net) Received: from conducive.net (conducive.net [203.194.153.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E9C13C49D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from askbill@conducive.net) Received: from cm218-253-81-177.hkcable.com.hk ([218.253.81.177]:59621 helo=pb.local) by conducive.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IpO2z-0007zx-Fg for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:00:49 +0000 Message-ID: <47306579.4040700@conducive.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:00:41 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?B?6Z+T5a625qiZIEJpbGwgSGFja2Vy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <472F5D9A.9050900@delphij.net> <472F6773.3080801@delphij.net> <472F6B02.2030801@delphij.net> <472F7C05.6050000@conducive.net> <472FCE60.9070806@gmail.com> <47301A4A.2030807@conducive.net> <47301E48.1000409@gmail.com> <20071106080634.GA8648@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <20071106080634.GA8648@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:01:01 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2007-11-06 02:56, "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>> 2. The only difference between different hardware is the >>>> implications of sw issues... for example I get timeouts but no >>>> infinite cycle when booting from cd >>> ACK - and developers of software very seldom have access to even the >>> tiniest fraction of the hardware that the community at large have >>> their hands on. >> And that is why I volunteered to help out but it seems they prefer for >> me to just send various diag dumps so neither of us has any grounds >> for complaint here I think. > > That's the way a lot of FreeBSD developers work. It may look 'flawed' > and 'wrong', but there are probably a fair number of reasons why this is > their preferred 'mode of operation'. For example, they may not have web > access at all times. An email with a lot of useful information in the > form of a logfile is available when 'offline' too. A wiki is not. > > I'm not saying that you shouldn't use your favorite means of collecting > information from these threads (i.e. the wiki), but it is important to > realize that it's *not* easier or more useful than the mailing lists; > what is *can* be is another source of information, a complementary > resource :) > Just to reinforce that ... Over the years, and many areas of interest, I've had anywhere from 15,000 to 60,000 mailing list posts *per list* stored in a 'local' MUA folder as well as synced IMAP on the server. Diskpace is cheap, and messages are sparser than html. I can do all manner of complex searches on those when offline, and they are more specific than a full online 'google'. YMMV, Bill