From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 11 10:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7939816A49E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F40D43D94 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:09:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.8]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6Y007TDUW4FL70@l-daemon> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6Y00MJFUW4JJR0@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6Y00KXBUW4GY90@l-daemon> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:09:37 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <200610050852.58943.jhb@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-id: <200610110309.37555.soralx@cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610050852.58943.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 Subject: Re: ipw(4) and iwi(4): Intel's Pro Wireless [firmware licensing problems] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:09:56 -0000 > > [...] > > For some recent information about Intel being an Open Source Fraud, > > see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=115960734026283&w=2. > > Probably because all you have to do is install a port and it works. :) Not for me, it doesn't :P Well, the interface does get created, but the 'no carrier' state persists no matter what I do. I blame our big uncle Intel's old habit of playing posing games for this sad state of affairs ;) No good documentation -- no well-working hardware. Simple as that. > you might want to ask Theo why he complains about Intel not giving him a > license for one binary blob (Intel wireless firmware) but complains about > Atheros providing a binary blob that he can distribute. Seems a bit of a firmware is (should be) an integral part of the device, and runs only on one CPU. Generally, noone cares about any documentation for it -- as long as it makes the device work. Thus, binary form is perfectly acceptable OTOH, the code which is intended to be executed by the OS must not be distributed in only the binary form, because for some systems it will be completely useless (even though the device itself is perfectly functional) > John Baldwin [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2