From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 22:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6616A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.mcneil.com (mcneil.com [24.199.45.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F1343D54 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:12:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sean@mcneil.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.mcneil.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mcneil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4689DF1ADC; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mcneil.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mcneil.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42492-07; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.199.45.54] (mcneil.com [24.199.45.54]) by mail.mcneil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E2BF1956; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean McNeil To: hartzell@kestrel.alerce.com In-Reply-To: <16728.36042.147168.928629@satchel.alerce.com> References: <20040927111438.GA865@genius.tao.org.uk> <1096290034.23046.82.camel@linux-mobile.example.net> <20040927143811.GA87515@sysmon.tcworks.net> <4158338A.9090309@pythonemproject.com> <16728.33607.716813.703551@satchel.alerce.com> <1096320933.42513.9.camel@server.mcneil.com> <16728.36042.147168.928629@satchel.alerce.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-w2ACeimMzC8gvQIRU6/Q" Message-Id: <1096323166.43375.8.camel@server.mcneil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:46 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mcneil.com cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:12:50 -0000 --=-w2ACeimMzC8gvQIRU6/Q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 14:57, George Hartzell wrote: > Sean McNeil writes: > > On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 14:16, George Hartzell wrote: > > > Peter Schultz writes: > > > > How far off are we from a stable version of FreeBSD PPC? Apple's= =20 > > > > laptops are sweet. > > >=20 > > > Except for the D#@% caps lock key. It's IN THE WRONG PLACE and > > > apparent best tool for swapping it around (uControl) doesn't work > > > reliably and the dang led stays on anyway.... > >=20 > > Huh? I'm looking at my powerbook right now and the caps lock key is i= n > > the exact same place as it is on my logitec keyboard and my compaq > > laptop. Only difference that I see is the backspace key says delete a= nd > > there is no "delete" key that kills the character on the cursor. >=20 > Yeah, I'm an old weirdo [who also uses emacs a lot]. I grew up with > the control key being that big sucker just to the left of the 'A' key, > and reaching down and under to the bottom row bothers my left > wrist/hand. I'm otherwise keyboard agnostic (I don't care where the > esc key is, I just use ctrl-[ and I'm used to figuring out just what > the BS/Del key sends) but the ctrl key is important. Fortunately, on > PC hardware, it's easy enough to get it where i want/like/need it. I see what you mean. But they moved that a long time ago. I'm amazed you have managed to stick with the old positioning. The feel of a Logitech keyboard is pretty sweet. > It may well be a minor nit, but they're not *your* fingers that start > tingling. It's enough to keep me from treating my 15" powerbook as my > day-to-day unix machine. Well, that and trying to live w/ the weird > unix environment, which is a pale imitation of FreeBSD and our > incredible ports tree. It makes a great mac though (digital imaging, > photoshop, etc...). >=20 > The powerbook hardware *is* nice. FreeBSD/PPC and the powerbook might > well be a different story (I could live w/ the led staying lit if that > key were an otherwise reliable ctrl...). That is actually the only reason I have a mac - I needed a mac. IMHO I don't think anyone should get a powerbook and then put FreeBSD on it.=20 That is unless you could run mac software on it. I would (will?) someday get a desktop on ebay and put FreeBSD on it, though. Oh, and EMACS RULES!!! ;-) --=-w2ACeimMzC8gvQIRU6/Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBWJBeyQsGN30uGE4RAthtAKDZMVEIRjEXzJ+KQ/q60qQ8da0nXwCfTtQ7 VE+j2jJF/YZnZSkbk3y5Ogo= =7Ced -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-w2ACeimMzC8gvQIRU6/Q--