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Date:      Thu, 18 May 2017 15:27:49 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        rgrimes@freebsd.org, Ngie Cooper <ngie@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r318441 - in head/etc: . cron.d
Message-ID:  <1495142869.89384.18.camel@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <20170518212429.rugl6vnv5d2b2hpb@ivaldir.net>
References:  <201705180625.v4I6Pd9j062495@repo.freebsd.org> <201705180956.v4I9uVpQ065465@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20170518130932.eo5clhki4za2vigz@ivaldir.net> <2201156.H7EQSgYph9@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20170518212429.rugl6vnv5d2b2hpb@ivaldir.net>

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On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 23:24 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 09:48:25AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2017 03:09:32 PM Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 02:56:31AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > [...]
> > The support for broken out files has long been there, but the base
> > system has
> > not used them previously for default config shipped during a
> > release.  That
> > is in fact a new trend.
> > 
> > However, the current approach seems to be the absolute worst way to
> > do this.
> > If someone wants to use the existing base system image and modify
> > it with
> > config management, they now have to use a mix of styles (for some
> > services
> > edit a global config file for certain settings, but use a dedicated
> > file for
> > other settings for the same service, or for the same settings but a
> > different
> > service).  It's also the worst case for humans trying to work with
> > our system
> > as the division between which services are broken out vs global is
> > inconsistent and arbitrary.
> > 
> > Once you split up the files you make a merge conflict for anyone
> > trying to do
> > an upgrade.  If we do this piecemail then we create N merge
> > conflicts for users
> > to deal with as opposed to if you split it up all at once.
> > 
> > Also, there wasn't a clear consensus (a mail to arch@ with "hey, we
> > should
> > switch to splitting up config files for reasons A and B and let's
> > do this for
> > 12.0 but not merge to stable so there is a clear flag day / sign
> > post for users
> > to manage upgrades".  Instead there have been a couple of commits
> > and any
> > not-in-100%-agreement opinions are ignored.
> > 
> That's true, another thing is the way it is done, there is no simple
> way to
> disable the at cron from an admin point of view  rather than rm
> /etc/cron.d/at
> for an end user which an upgrade will bring back.
> 
> Bapt

Would you not just comment out or delete the line, exactly as you would
do in the main /etc/crontab?

-- Ian




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