From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 16:08:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4385923F84D for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KZt215zKz4Q3l for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-qt1-f178.google.com (mail-qt1-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12ADF189AE for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-qt1-f178.google.com with SMTP id k7so9094596qth.11 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVtK5sdePB5ILzTzl5jDk80MOzitMfw3yOfrXDAy1W59VcQGMUw XGtvcHHY1Syp1LrL0zERntmqqPDo4Yc7eeKupow= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxhdcGwC4nJJfHvQSqH4yAaLjsRLOzXGyfK/zS/FAt4/rp/Cq02S2uU01GrHYwgMduLBlRKAGsiX7gn0LuCDiY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:740f:: with SMTP id p15mr6601672qtq.211.1581782905634; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:08:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200215151302.z7tcf6ipzruean7u@mutt-hbsd> In-Reply-To: <20200215151302.z7tcf6ipzruean7u@mutt-hbsd> From: Kyle Evans Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 10:08:14 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Return of config files to ^/etc To: Shawn Webb Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:08:26 -0000 On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 9:13 AM Shawn Webb wrote: > > Hey Kyle, > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 04:42:15PM -0600, Kyle Evans wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've organized a review[0] to return most config files back to etc/. > > Many people were concerned about the mass exodus of etc/, and many > > have expressed a desire (privately or otherwise) for these files to > > return- some of these folks represent downstreams or consumer projects > > that went through the painful move the first time and would happily go > > through the pain again to restore the status quo. > > > > This does mean that we'd end up with a structure that's not compatible > > with stable/12, but is compatible with every branch before it. > > > > If you have an opinion for or against. please speak up now. I'd like > > to make sure we're moving in the correct direction as a developer > > community. > > I'm curious how long downstream projects would need to support both > paradigms. > The answer for both downstreams and us is "however long stable/12 is supported" for that particular project. Something that I've intentionally not pitched yet (to avoid conflating major issues) is the possibility of MFC'ing the move back to stable/12. It's feasible, but requires more care and attention than it does in head/. IIRC, when you attempt to merge an svn mv/cp to another branch, svn will stage it as a copy from the version in head/ that lives at the destination. So, when you try to MFC a mv/cp, you're effectively MFC'ing all changes before it unless you take care to assess and, as needed, revert those in the final diff. I will volunteer to do this work if the move back happens, but I will raise that as a follow-up issue. I suspect that it will be desired if we do the move in head, to ease the pain of merging back to our most recent branch. Thanks, Kyle Evans