From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 27 12: 1:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from post-20.mail.nl.demon.net (post-20.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB3437B41A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-20.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 16g9Yo-0004EM-00 for current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:16:18 +0000 Received: from angel.raggedclown.net (angel.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.7]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [buffy]) with ESMTP id 2F9B313040 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:16:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by angel.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [angel], from userid 1005) id AC160225C1; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:16:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:16:16 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NetBSD-style rc.d Project Message-ID: <20020227191616.GI2129@raggedclown.net> References: <20020226051811.K52727@blossom.cjclark.org> <20020227015150.H31146-100000@master.gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020227015150.H31146-100000@master.gorean.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 02:02:11AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Crist J. Clark wrote: > > > Looking at the repository, I have not really seen anything done with > > building a NetBSD-style rc.d system that will provide FreeBSD > > functionality for a long time. > > Several of us have started on this, and either run out of time, or > interest (as you've seen described already). There are at least three > problems I can see with this project, in no particular order. A) Everyone > in the project thinks they know both the problems and the solutions. B) > Everyone who is willing to do actual work on the project (myself included) > has strong ideas about how it should go, often incompatible with other's > strong ideas. C) The real problem of making this work is actually much > bigger than the "just do a straight port" drum that most of the people who > aren't actually willing to put the work into it beat rather loudly > whenever the topic comes up. > > Currently I don't have nearly as much time to work on this project > as I thought I would by now. I moved to the bay area in september and was > hoping feverishly that the many hours of overtime required to get in the > groove of my new job would slow down, and to some extent they have, but > I'm barely getting back up to speed on current -current, which I > personally think of as a pre-req for doing the rc work. > > What I have always said we need before people spend a lot of time > on coding is discussion about what the project should look like. If people > are interested in this, I set up a discussion list on Yahoo! groups, and a > few people actually subscribed. If there is still interest in discussion > about what the project should look like, I think I'm ready to go on that > if people still think my experience with the existing rc system is worth > including. > I am interested. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message