From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 10 17:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25907 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25841; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19778; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:02:59 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA08887; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:02:58 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980411100258.52827@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:02:58 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Open Systems Networking , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: David Shanes , Brett Glass , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" References: <3980.892169423@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 11:19:58PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 April 1998 at 23:19:58 -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > I think we SERIOUSLY need a PR plan of some kind. I think also we can take > the gloves off and start kicking heads without getting nasty about it. We > have several FACTUAL resources that they just CANT compete with. Does anybody out there care? What I see is that they will get the impression "these free UNIXes attract a strange, aggressive kind of person, each saying \"My UNIX is better than your UNIX\"". >> guys hasn't appeared to have won us anything but lots of nice comments >> from folks like Marc A. at netscape to the effect that "Linux is the >> only free OS alternative." I'm getting tired of that, and if it's >> going to take "breaking ranks" with the rest of the free OS community >> to get our own message out, maybe it's time. > > I second this! But the problemhere is that we have zero PR. I am not > making light of jordans efforts at all. His trips, his talks, his free CD > handouts to promote FreeBSD. But the fact is we dont have any PR that is > making any difference to anyone but geeks. ORA flat out annoys me by > pretty much refusing to do a FreeBSD book. The only publisher I can > respect now would be addison wessley since they have seemed interested in > publishing gregs book. I dont know what happened on that front. Neither do I. Time to nag, I suppose. J Carter Shanklin called me a couple of months ago and was really interested, but things seemed to cool off before he got the book (*if* he got the book). I will report. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message