From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987A616A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1967A43D2A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: by thud.tbe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 088551C941D; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thud.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E20DCF04; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Vahric MUHTARYAN In-Reply-To: <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Freebsd isp isp cc: Kurt Jaeger Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:14:17 -0000 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > and one more question I'm linux admin I can say more Redhat Admin :) We have > Redhat 7.2 , 7.3 , 8.0 and 9.0 server but I did not think to update or > promode any server to new version Do you alwyas update freebsd's when new > stable version released ? like 4.9 to 5.2 > I just patch for security updates. I currently run versions of the following on machines throughout my network: 3.5-STABLE (actually my main use machine, which I'm composing this e-mail from... gotta love software that Just Works!!!) 4.4-RELEASE 4.5-RELEASE 4.6.2-RELEASE 4.8-RELEASE 4.9-RELEASE 4-STABLE 5.1-RELEASE 5-CURRENT On all boxes, I generally just security update the affected ones where necessary, and that's about it. It ain't usually broke, so no need breaking it, thats what development environments are for... :-) For full upgrades, if I don't feel like building world, since these are cookie-cutter boxes, I usually just bring up a new server online, with the newest RELEASE version (plus patches if necessary), copy over config files, user files, and reboot, all up and running. Main web apps I usually just recompile from source the latest versions, and I get the benefits of newer, faster hardware, and fresh new versions of the OS and server apps I need (usually just mail, web and DB). I can 'upgrade' an entire box in under 1 working day usually, so I just go that route. It's actually faster for me to load up a totally new box than it is to build world in some cases. > > Hi! > > > > > Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! > > > > Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > > > > > How long does it take to complate all process ?! > > > > For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of > > person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > > > > > and do you test those process on other machine before apply those > patches to > > > your production server ?! > > > > Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers > > (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. I always make it a point to build at least one box with the configuration I'm wanting to put into production to make sure all the critical apps play nicely before I go live to the guinea-pigs^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers. Most of our stuff is standard, so it's not that big of a deal, but I did run into webmail<->PHP version issues, so having a userbase not being able to read their mail is not the type of situation I want to end up in, which is why I've adopted the test-first approach. > > > > -- > > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to > go ! > > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -Gary Running Windows is kinda like playing blackjack: User stays on success, reboots on failure