From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 17:48:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9BE16A7B1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:47:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34A044E5E for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:40:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: from home.arnold.se ([83.226.146.134] [83.226.146.134]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20060406164046.FKE29994.mxfep02.bredband.com@home.arnold.se>; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:46 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.arnold.se (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k36Gej4b066382; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Christopher Arnold To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <44352CA2.4030506@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060406183024.C66136@home.arnold.se> References: <20060405200341.GD14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405200727.GA28371@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060405201500.GE14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405211154.GA30089@soaustin.net> <20060406064023.1tlk5wezmi8o08og@webmail.1command.com> <44352CA2.4030506@mac.com> X-message-flag: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Outlook_isn=B4t_compliant_with_current_standards?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_please_install_another_mail_client!?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Alexey Karagodov Subject: Re: Disappointed X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:48:15 -0000 On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Alexey Karagodov wrote: >> 2006/4/6, Chris H. : > [ ... ] >> and again. if *NIX developers can't answer user's question, they say "g= et >> out" or "it's your problem" or "try something else" or "For that matter; >> you're not required to use it at all". everytime one answer for multiple >> question "WE ARE *NIX, WE ARE GODS. YOU, GO TRY SOMETHING ELSE" > > I'm pretty sure that none of the FreeBSD developers have been so much as= =20 > beatified, much less appointed to a truly divine status. > The thing is this isnt a *NIX issue, but its visible in the *NIX world. All big systems have their primadonnas that are highly competent in what=20 they do best. Digging deep into the internals and do wonders there. But=20 the diffrence between opensource projects and other large projects is that= =20 the other large projects have tons of paid staff inbetween the primadonnas= =20 and the end users. In the opensource *NIX community we have direct access to the primadonnas. For us that cant talk with them in their language and realize that they=20 want to keep focused on code and not support isssues this is a feature. If you cant speak their language and/or get upset that they are not user=20 friendly you should go thru a middle man smoothing out the conversation.=20 There is a price to this thou. This price is absorbed in licencing costs=20 f=F6r other systems, in the free world you can choose who to pay to be your= =20 middle man. =09/Chris