From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 22:33:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A982C334C34 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dLCC2mZ2z485B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.236.150]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MvJsF-1ipyIH1UUD-00rCyz; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 00:33:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:33:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-Id: <20200605003308.3015108b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200604225938.3baf5056ebd397f4a4acf81c@sohara.org> References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604225938.3baf5056ebd397f4a4acf81c@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5V1FE3gn8d/POiauJ3PXBREz2ndWDyKkZPyI/GsYEsz4iE8vr3I 2Ynf9vgb8mStGxXDa7vTzyE7ay4TefvvpbQXg3OVs7y0aJ+8O2HP0Pf9BQGGk2VOynccb1t U2yoVf3Oxv/lhIbacQrpEsSBOK9qeV39+2lizBViWzjZa86PzFgbowCG72nSpRMAs2d8Eb0 CajCvCzt/At79wQHazq8w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qhb/bWiEVPk=:rkTRRKH5kfkYh+Gs1WdCaH iPkhVSN1mM2w2jz9R85MYIe5MWfys7ODY3yNrlwUvy5YpQhdr6OISCP3DBoEnbRsNYKRSz8R6 KpXwRoAJksgFC0Xb1XLfaSlyZLTcxMhqEQXWmVbHE5cgkvpoUpnNoxMp7oPUJUwYL+XxnXdpb K9Iwssr+DSg7zQwcaLh/rDOIby8VI3UrkQ8gxID9o8yoxXeSfi0P5guY/trHMdgNzmihBX4xD eAGgAp0Xpq3HwFeMxsng0XrjvaRxkyuK5FaPzChr1mgz4tFLMlEOoZGyT8E1MBRJMrtfGsBuS SYKqHz0b94KvjeSNrQ+Wkm8YX9LIeXUIGo9BegwuqR9/AEvnoiugJpSSUIFASkpOXDHNTlsSJ cvyHzCQGtCnoBzJBFQippoQR/X11uxx3/UXeXQlTyU5Kst3msPZEfR4RIs8gCeCLz1Pwo5DBJ Bmnx8SZk5xPUR4pxcg+HfwYf1jUhxsF5nw5Z5S9t1AlfW5uUmkaANcdRjk5Lh7dwttfxh57b2 s9zNT+MmX7aaWb0vM4DhOYDw1RDuELOGxYNyLLk0FJ58gFpkrbg4u3AaZv7N9ikCT8fq+Pc4a IzQTdI26LloFDRQGSIpxg2OrKbO/lJ1jNxORgpflBU2j/M8O/nvC9jfvdKKRMfvhPJnuxqS4r LsH+8JAd2i8hJw9GGzj/MiyJUBdK4pPw8SfRI3csPsuxYOhANFUKErbzu1oQtztpgmTY5VNq2 Dws/qLe3u8VV9YTXIe/WVsyLwQSTNZ406+BdByvwtBvTL0Oji40+yzdNh1/uSKHVZx1KDZINF 0XqbbVylQXRfldjJrA6pggsISZR5jnoX+n8330iCiwnZmURiLTHIuGqHJlTcmdCf9YnCqiw X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dLCC2mZ2z485B X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.68 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.449]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.236.150:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.469]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.805]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 22:33:12 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:59:38 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 15:22:16 -0600 > Brandon helsley wrote: > > > I'm doing the indentation myself. Does your mailer do the indentation for > > you or do you do it yourself? > > Many mailers know how to prefix and indent quoted material, many > even know how to re-wrap it when the indentation pushes line length > conventions. They also tend to know about the dash-dash-space-newline > signature break convention and strip signatures on reply. For example, my (older) version of Sylpheed does all this, except the signature, but it's no problem to manually remove it. In fact, it's absolutely no problem to "tidy up" a reply before sending, as it will show your respect and gratitude toward the list. By the way, this message is an excellent example of "multi-level" reply. Some MUAs even have multicolor support for this thing. :-) You can also see that people have different reply headers and form their replies in a different way, but nothing interferes with good readability. (See infront of "Many mailers" above: ">", space, remaining tab, first words - just as it should be.) It's also not a big deal if you decide to manually do the line breaks. I have a little ruler on top of the mail composer window so I can see, in a monospace font, what columns the text occupies. > Choice of mailer is every bit as personal and contentious as choice > of text editor - FWIW I use Sylpheed and vim because they've both failed to > irritate me much for many years now. If you have IMAP support, you can even try / use multiple MUAs and see what works best for you, without requiring to have multiple mail accounts and program-individual local mailboxes. You can even use Thunderbird and alpine side by side, with Maildir local storage, connecting to an IMAP account - all this is possible and does not require complicated configurations. I fully agree with Steve's statement that this choice is a very individual thing. Luckily, this is not a "once and for all times" situation, you can change your editor or mailer whenever your preferences or requirements change, without losing any data. It's even possible that you _will_ change programs as you advance and gain more experience, maybe feeling that the tools that you started with don't offer everything you need, so you begin using something else which is a better fit. By the way, several MUAs allow you to use an external editor, so if you say: I like the mailer, how it displays discussion threads and manages mailboxes, I just don't like its message editor - then you can simply use an external editor. Best of both worlds. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...