From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 25 23:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F7F16A4E5 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C64643D83 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:08:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21900291AFB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:08:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05192-10; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:08:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-179-167.eastlink.ca [24.224.179.167]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D397290C29; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:07:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id BDF655CABB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:07:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F9B3C2F7; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:07:41 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:07:41 -0300 (ADT) From: User Freebsd To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: <003301c6afbb$4f1291c0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> Message-ID: <20060725200328.R17979@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060713181058.56349.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002101c6af09$aacf32f0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <003301c6afbb$4f1291c0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:59:13 +0000 Cc: Nick Withers , jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Freminlins , danial_thom@yahoo.com, Greg Barniskis Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:08:26 -0000 On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Oops, forgot about that. Use 5.x then. The statement is that newer > versions of FreeBSD are slower than older versions. The point was that > this isn't relevant to 90% of users for reasons I already cited. IMHO, I'm not so concerned about my servers being slower then older versions, but the fact that, in some cases, we seem to be going backwards are far as stability is concerned ... I've recently been experiencing lock ups with the three servers that I've upgraded to 6.x ... one of which is <1 year old, the other two are 3 years old ... after getting everything setup with DDB, to the point that I could provide some very detailed traces, and core dumps, it looks like the problem is the one thing common between all three servers: the iir driver ... the two older machines are running Intel 0CH RAID controllers, the newer one an ICP Vortex card ... both were rock solid machines under 4.x ... If you check ICP Vortex's web site, you will actually find *vendor supported* drivers (and CLIs) for both fbsd4 and fbsd5 but nadda for 6 or 7 ... so, from looking at that, it looks like they have bail'd on the newer FreeBSDs ... So, for me, it isn't a performance issue, its what looks to be a shrinking hardware vendor support ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664