From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 02:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB9116A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF23B43D46; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050826023441.MXKU2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:34:41 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:30:35 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:43 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2005 18:41, the author David Wolfskill contributed to the dialogue on- Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: >[Sorry about cluttering a technical list with administrivia, but it >seemed appropriate under the current circumstances. -- postmaster] > >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 04:00:10PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> ... >> >> >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >> >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >> >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing >> >> to help set it up. >> > >> >You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) >> >can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a >> >separate mailing list, >> >> How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? >> Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of >> development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more >> active in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree >> is a major deterent. > >Regardless of the structure of the ports tree or anything else, my basic >criterion for new list creation is this: Would creation of the new list >help the FreeBSD project more than retaining the status quo would? Well I think definitely yes. If you need any proof of its significance for developers of any project I would suggest you take a look at the eclipse site www.eclipse.org and at the links from that site. As to helping the freebsd project a search through the eclipse website on Linux will tell you how much support that community has gained through their involvement of a core of linux deveopers in the eclipse community. > >If the answer is yes, then I am strongly in favor of cretaing it -- to >the point that unless someone in core@ or admin@ tells me not to, I >will create the list. So please will you create the list as quickly as possible and hopefully we can promulgate its presence on the many eclipse forums. > >However, I have been so far "out of the loop" with respect to >"development environments" and the like ... well, no; that's not right: >I was never "in the loop." What "development" I do (generally in Perl) >is done in multiple xterm windows editing files with vi. You might find the eclipse edi in conjunction with the perl and php plugins very very usefuland a tremendous advance on using multiple xterms with vi. The one EDI will control all the development tasks and maintain a development history... very neat. > >So: for folks who have an opinion -- persuade me. No, this isn't a >"vote;" I don't care about that. Write to me about what the presence of >the new list will do for the FreeBSD project ... for good or for ill. >Be honest about it. Eclipse is multi- faceted -- but is developed on a Java platform. However it is out of place in the Freebsd-java mailing list... every plugin needs to be discussed in the context of eclipse as a whole and the various plugins. The absense of a list means that Freebsd users are not able to benefit from the mutually support it can create to ensure freebsd developers are able to use the latest tools -- whether you develop in C of C++, or java, xul, sml, http php, or whatever there is an e clipse tool to help. >Note that I set Reply-To on purpose -- there's no >need to clutter FreeBSD.org technical mailing lists with opinions about >the creation of a mailing list. I have posted this to the freebsd java list but will ask anyone who joins in to delete that from the cc list and add their name to the cc list > >Chances are, I'll create the list -- please do >I recently created one dedicated to >the Proliant line of hardware (of all things). So if you can convince >me that Eclipse has a following at least comparable to Proliant >hardware, you're probably golden. Remember, the salient criterion is >"Overall, does creation of the new list help the FreeBSD project?" > >> I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just >> because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. >> Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd >> postmaster@freebsd.org ) > >I noticed. :-} > >> If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list >> - but that idea goes against the grain! > >Right. I appreciate your restraint. > >> .... >> >> -- >> 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. >> English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V >> Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama >> Canal after completing engineroom refit. > >Heh. Sorry about the need for the refit, but I've tended to have a bit >of a "soft spot" for ketches. Not that I've actually sailed one, >unfortunately. Ah well if you are near San Diego in a couple of months (when the engine is done, I'll be glad to welcome you aboard David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit.