From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 01:00:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2BC10656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BD8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=lY30ihekU8kIDk6FZWUA:9 a=1wStCKhPtp75Vw0_s60A:7 a=_ssP4l1uElDPDH53tUXDGNfXPOkA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD461701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:11 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:13 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > Can we stop trying to dissuade people > from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an improvement. > Why does everybody seem > so eager to assume that FreeBSD isn't, and shouldn't be, a good > desktop system? > from what i see, that isn't the concern. the concern specifically seems to be twofold: 1. that freebsd not lose its integrity in an attempt to support certain wishes of certain desktop users 2. that desktop usage is possibly not a primary goal and therefore should not detract from development in the other areas i think it is always an excellent idea to "talk hardware vendors into providing better specs so better drivers can be produced". this is something the openbsd group also advocated strongly for and it can only be good for all opensource (assuming it be done properly). however, i think the concern your opposition has is that the wishes of the desktop contigent not control the reins of development of an os we all find to be excellent ... so far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's