From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 31 7:14: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1C7137B404 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2565 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 15:14:05 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 15:14:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3C595F3D.ABABF5F@tenebras.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:14:05 -0800 From: Michael Sierchio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: juha@saarinen.org, n@nectar.cc, drosih@rpi.edu, dillon@apollo.backplane.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposed Solution To Recent "firewall_enable" Thread. [PleaseRead] References: <20020130225454.A48040@hellblazer.nectar.cc> <20020130.225658.74795701.imp@village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All: I have read this thread (okay, stream -- no, roaring river) with interest and a little amusement at the occasional ad hominem. I have some observations: 1) It is natural for people to suggest that things be changed rather than invest the requisite time to understand how they work. I have found myself doing this from time to time. 2) Many things are counter-intuitive until they're mastered. Sometimes this is a fault of documentation rather than function. And sometimes the explanation for design choices has a historical rather than a theoretical foundation. 3) Changes that break existing behavior need an extremely compelling justification. I would place the arguments I've read in favor of change in the category of feature enhancement. Therefore, if additional function is to be provided, it must not change the semantics of existing "knobs." Those are my thoughts on the matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message