From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 20:46:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD101065672 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FEA8FC18 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1Kk1UF067750 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id mB1KiPWw000703 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from minion.local.neville-neil.com (209.249.190.254.available.above.net [209.249.190.254] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB1KiP8V037647 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:44:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: gnn@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD Stable In-Reply-To: <7A8CC4E4-D59A-4841-8800-A3509C9DB68E@netconsonance.com> References: <4912E462.4090608@icyb.net.ua> <491586B9.2020303@vwsoft.com> <4919851B.7050800@icyb.net.ua> <492FF127.807@icyb.net.ua> <31DE68A5-D3CB-4C33-86E6-515581B425E1@netconsonance.com> <7A8CC4E4-D59A-4841-8800-A3509C9DB68E@netconsonance.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i386-apple-darwin9.5.0) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.10 () [Tag at 5.00] COMBINED_FROM X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2463682 - 6e0490d7bfe2 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: Re: confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:46:10 -0000 At Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:27:57 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > > Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing > to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then > publicly calling out someone for just saying "yeah, it's a widely > reported problem" ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going > to happen here. > Note that my mail was not marked in any way "From core" but was merely as a list participant. I've always been all for people finding and helping to work through bugs. What I object to is hyperbole and passive aggressiveness. For more on this see here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 If we can identify the issue let's fix it, but let's do it without lots of emotional stuff. Best, George