From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Mon Jan 1 19:29:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31993EB8D8F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com (mail-ua0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41D679456 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@ddteam.net) Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l12so6217696uaa.10 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ddteam-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=xY8UdyidgE7qYEE1NLfB3r79tgaoF70NlhPz6NIdwiu5krdg8YbDsIM3r0jzRcQgti F/OZAOgnR//+RSXr2qh2hJWHW8f348sBb1V62WAunUhihRgFJ3feeVxfFk+4BMGQRvMa I3gL2RnwVcSVXYPd8p/hFtOE3oXvcKgme+gQ1lzIhCuUN8tBfzSoBlq27MMC/LPk7/A2 7w5iFH15vwI2LtdUkGZgqDDv+cDP3WBBP2IS+uRtKQPtWUvkDpD4Ez6fqUJnEfH2muht KHLB/lqgnD8xbhuBVYM/++OiiGyC4+7tjoSTMjVwEQ8TneONi68ixsT9uH5yDp3KCOXd rFEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9QLOUROkRS/RfuDsh5EVjJt8KyhCUH7Nti6SV+WvJAk=; b=enveb24UCoAenh4VrzDFP3LOLZomIBPhx0rdii+QTRDN+qjgQx6uAyOdJuLafxXPt0 wYI4x3y94qllQPGgYZkkzP5NdxlVg6w0srj+B1nbcANibTz6adiFY10Ap5rzzIMPYb7c WDCqvyNcSTwveFXf//m3GfbNqNl/nh0p0szGgO82QkNXIJRrcCt4/iCvFF9AFqAGU8ph BnGn9tAXo6yWvHxTkZ3qkmYt0AsR5qoyKdqP68qxDwl3baDNouC8D47QgaVNjeofpxQb M2Nihpgzow+FOSejHNLH1FebfJzqBUJvkgqi5QCMYvN7YYDNola6ljYW4nF5DhrELkcX Nr5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIK65Sl2S91Ggniq852iDTgxjGqHUhR8+aMpVO3DLbEw3YLF6JG NwyA0xMI7CYOUjPZMdAfnjX3/EBAgk5tmOW+CYmmag== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBostYlXTt/TDPUTcKMCsEu/83Yde0GJg7m9FcHtNgy//pNQqhxgkAOB98nkwEhGQBSTM9+XM1AOKcfXiiImNbcQ= X-Received: by 10.176.24.139 with SMTP id t11mr3781957uag.100.1514834996758; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.89.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12b36190fcd6918a01d88fd4dbf1a220@megadrive.org> <201712310122.vBV1Mjds078793@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Aleksandr Rybalko Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 21:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minor MIPS tree pruning To: Warner Losh Cc: Stanislav Galabov , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Robert Watson , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:29:58 -0000 At least it looks more clear now - only Malta. :) Thanks, Warner! 2018-01-01 19:50 GMT+02:00 Warner Losh : > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 6:51 AM, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > >> Thanks Stanislav, I'm on freebsd-mips@ list :) >> >> I already answer Warner about rt305x dir but have another thing to say: >> We need boards supported by emulators to use for CI tests. >> IIRC, qemu support only Malta MIPS board. >> Not sure about other emulators, but it will be nice to not lost its >> support. >> > > Totally agree on that! I'd love to see better testing tools. qemu has like > 3 targets that we might be able to support, but the other 2 wouldn't gain > us that much since they are for hardware older than MALTA. qemu for arm has > like 50 it supports, and we could use half a dozen of them in regression > testing if we were so motivated. > > There's other emulators, but none of them stray far from MALTA or > something that's so close to identical as to not be that useful. At least > last time I did a survey. I'd love someone to prove me wrong here :) > > Warner > > >> Thanks, guys! >> >> Happy New Year!!! >> >> >> 2017-12-31 8:01 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Galabov : >> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >> > On 2017-12-31 01:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> >> > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < >>> >> > >> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > > Can you give me pointers to these boards for adm5120 and IDT? >>> >> When last I >>> >> > >> > > tried to get them 5 years ago they were hard to come by and >>> >> generally >>> >> > >> > came >>> >> > >> > > with no more than 32M or 64M of memory. >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > mips/rt305x has been subsumed by mips/mediatek, so will be >>> >> deleted w/o >>> >> > >> > loss >>> >> > >> > > of functionality. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Please go back and read very carefully what the person said >>> about >>> >> > >> > this. It was PLANNED to subsume rt305x into mediatek, but it >>> has >>> >> > >> > NOT been done yet. At least that is how I read the persons >>> >> > >> > comments. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> That's not how I read it. I read it as "this is what we planned, >>> and >>> >> > >> we've >>> >> > >> arrived." However, out of an abundance of caution, I sent an >>> email >>> >> > >> asking >>> >> > >> for confirmation. Code inspection certainly suggests that my >>> >> > >> interpretation >>> >> > >> is correct. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Thanks. Also you might want to ping the router projects folks, >>> >> > > as I believe many of the mips based routers use this SOC and >>> >> > > they may have info on which of the implementations work better, >>> >> > > and/or if the mediatek branch is up to speed and the rt305x >>> >> > > can just be axed. I know this project is out there someplace, >>> >> > > but can not find a link for it right now. And I have seen >>> >> > > some activity someplace from them in the last 3 or 4 months. >>> >> > >>> >> > "router project folks" ? >>> >> > >>> >> > Who are you talking about exactly ? >>> >> >>> >> And now I found the other person that just posted updates on the >>> >> zrouter code, it is now a git project, and just updated stuff >>> >> relative to the RT305x stuff one month ago: >>> >> https://github.com/ZRouter/ZRouter/tree/master/socs/Ralink >>> >> >>> >> Project top is at https://github.com/ZRouter >>> > >>> > >>> > Looks like they'll have to update. Should be pretty easy. I'll ping. >>> > >>> > Warner >>> > >>> I am adding ray@ to the conversation so he can give his input as well. >>> As far as I am concerned mips/mediatek is already a superset of >>> mips/rt305x and should be the one that's carried forward. >>> >>> Stanislav >>> >>> > >>> >> > >> Warner >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > > I'm curious what benefit sibyte has apart from broadcom? It >>> seems >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > > support a super old broadcom chip that's way obsolete that >>> has a >>> >> bunch of >>> >> > >> > > errata that need workarounds that aren't present in newer >>> chips. >>> >> What am >>> >> > >> > I >>> >> > >> > > missing? >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > Warner >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Michael Zhilin < >>> mizhka@gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > > Hi Warner, >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > If I can give my twopence worth, I think that adm5120 & >>> idt are >>> >> to be >>> >> > >> > kept >>> >> > >> > > > for a while, there are few vintage boards (for instance, >>> >> Mikrotik from >>> >> > >> > > > Latvia) with good configuration (plenty of flash and RAM), >>> >> sibyte is >>> >> > >> > to be >>> >> > >> > > > part of broadcom and also kept for a while. >>> >> > >> > > > rt305x is still very popular and cheap (for instance, "3g >>> >> router" with >>> >> > >> > > > RT5350 from AliExpress, but I have one, not yet tested). >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > And I don't know what is alchemy. :) >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > Thank you! >>> >> > >> > > > P.S. Wish you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you >>> and your >>> >> > >> > family. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Warner Losh < >>> imp@bsdimp.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > >> I'd like to propose that we eliminate support for the >>> following >>> >> > >> > before the >>> >> > >> > > >> FreeBSD 12 branch. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> adm5120 (most boards don't have enough memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> alchemy (the au1xxxx port never really was finished, and >>> >> boards lack >>> >> > >> > > >> memory, very old) >>> >> > >> > > >> idt (only a few boards worked, most are long obsolete) >>> >> > >> > > >> rt305x (raylink kit is now out dated, at least I think so) >>> >> > >> > > >> sibyte (long obsolete, hard to get hardware) >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> I thought I'd post a heads up here before I proposed this >>> list >>> >> to >>> >> > >> > arch@. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> We have enough exemplars these days we don't need to keep >>> >> these older >>> >> > >> > > >> ports >>> >> > >> > > >> around as examples anymore, and I have my doubts if we >>> even >>> >> work on >>> >> > >> > these >>> >> > >> > > >> boards anymore. >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> If I'm wrong about these being old, or that FreeBSD is no >>> >> longer >>> >> > >> > running >>> >> > >> > > >> on >>> >> > >> > > >> them, please let me know. Thanks! >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > >> Warner >>> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> > >> > freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >> >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> > > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@ >>> >> freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > -- >>> >> > >> > Rod Grimes >>> >> > >> > rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > >> freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >> > >> "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Emmanuel Vadot >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > freebsd-mips@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mips >>> >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mips-unsubscribe@free >>> bsd.org" >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Rod Grimes >>> >> rgrimes@freebsd.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org >>> >> " >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list >>> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded >>> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@ >>> freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> WBW >> ------- >> Rybalko Aleksandr >> >> > -- WBW ------- Rybalko Aleksandr