From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 11:42:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36320106566B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD48FC14 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so12867125ggn.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.174.1 with SMTP id b1mr18140496anp.1.1325418170850; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm64081068yhl.15.2012.01.01.03.42.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TGKQv6w4Bz2CG5x for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 06:42:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 06:42:47 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:42:52 -0000 On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only > system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design > philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware > drivers are coded? For that matter, how well do you think the > hardware is made? From my meanderings on this list and others a lot > of hardware needs software compensation for it to work as well as it > does on FreeBSD and even linux. I am sure that you will be happy to supply verifiable documentation to support your claims. As for the the quality of the "hardware", that would be solely dependent on the devices manufacturer. The drivers are obviously coded in a fashion that allows the device to operate in its environment. Any further discussion is impossible without defining some specific parameters. The basic problem is that open-sore users are by and large suffering from a "sour grapes" philosophy. It is a common "school yard" phenomena; however, it is usually outgrown at some time in an individuals lifetime. However, unfortunately, that is not written in concrete either. "Tempora mutantur", however with the exception of Ubuntu the rest of the open-sore community, to various degrees, continue to stagnate. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ It does not matter if you fall down as long as you pick up something from the floor while you get up.