From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon Sep 28 03:39:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81033F3F63 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C07Yn5TDZz3X9y for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id BBD343F4286; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9A03F4300 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C07Yn4WMQz3XMc; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1601264381; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=l9RzI+qe4nbwFRMq9L41ri5tnwUTabvAfAolNr43Mec=; b=yqeOTKdSyJnQkbrsSx7R9ptbeBCKkkHbVRI9p63s+E3KZ0ePuqgf9NjMk+rSZksxrYhrx0 i/2+J36toYrf8nDaE1jRV6ErG4GlHHihH3DknlXXRL/o7LUbx+Pti6+f8Y66qV4+I8k2XU waKPo2sqMaQS1LbhmO0pF8+QBMOpH36oNngCgRbK86JsBx1CFkYGUMkkn6YFFZHBn6dXxc 2+cbLW9c+V5QXiL2myDepAtRdJXHMv83N7XZBWlldrIlTvG1s0ZMTm/GCXtMAh9L4fqGWl Rfn6so0hWZB/gTqMRqMDBZjO+FoDEbKVrNRxlmlaD/ZzSW0YQ8Zep5KaF1OuSg== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 88FF5A471; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD X11 Subject: Re: Thinkpad W520 Message-ID: <20200928033941.GA62869@FreeBSD.org> References: <20200927181905.01ffd0d7@dismail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200927181905.01ffd0d7@dismail.de> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1601264381; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=l9RzI+qe4nbwFRMq9L41ri5tnwUTabvAfAolNr43Mec=; b=xXpReyiXJD4jQrruTJ8YhW2hDA0+fEJC0PbMwp4El2rNDC5eKT9SwxNL6ArPTvVsZitEml mKM64ERhZPMt4HCciJ6iDwKxoJVf5v6Zvt4ECqRdYGRQF7viqAZ/g2T3eT6SGtwPubM0Zh H0vdFuhdyHXMROhpndcDxnRz1C8l4i3ydK84XarO1bBqi7awEBGB/T1HkTMcxOmsAbnNPq 3LfGbNMinY5OtPF6byvXrxTjWG3UCxgN8/WSUjdr3bMJA4L5fv0iENi5kmdEIu/ZhuHDJ2 J5pUqyn9GSL/vtaX1DvRvDuprqePcI94+h6Gy/fbvqXn+L4G6ds+PCHsqE+jwA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1601264381; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TO+hJblpFto1CBogzrXvvSjJuPfqRETH0WNzVcBmGPgqxTGSUgmBaxu6mM3zW4R8AqtTgt CqMu+VV2WxBB2GvyG/sPUZDt7oiJsCwjqltz27ElL/+HvRlPIlGkSrWq2M4dwwblB8XznB xHGML7uMqC8x2E5Vs26XJdD0re6C1N1guOCK3F68zzZHMHYotfoYqEYVnsXnEJk/YgLoKz QFL7d1KYPjz8AGoyNpDkg3KEkEu07A14YZChUgg3FFNtjMV9rX5GdVu8fYjcEHXdYViVQ3 kjpawgiOOs0RlNixqeOGruiagQByH6O4LWr2qHGdnjp4njhuEJAL7HC+r7gebw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:39:41 -0000 On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 06:19:05PM -0400, LuMiWa via freebsd-x11 wrote: > Hi! > > I am looking to buy a used laptop and I decided for Thinkpad W520. And > here is (maybe) a problem. Laptop has PCI Express x16 - NVIDIA Quadro > 2000M / Intel HD Graphics 3000 which is old. Is it still supported and > if it is how is the future. I do not want to use vesa driver as I am > using now on my not supported Radeon. NVidia chip is supported by 390.xx driver version (which makes it not so old I guess), Intel is Gen 6 (Sandy Bridge) which is fairly recent as well. That said, "on the paper" you should be okay with the driver support. In reality, run-time gfx card switching, e.g. depending on the particular load, is not fully supported on FreeBSD and is generally fragile and may not work very well. What worries me more, however, is that laptops with dGPU, especially old/used ones, have the higher risks of dGPU malfunction which often requires complicated repair with chip reballing, or disabling the faulty chip if video signal routing (you'd need to look at the schematics of the mainboard to find out) supports this. iGPU-only laptops should be less troublesome, and that's what I typically recommend getting one's hands on. ./danfe