From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 21 11:06:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214EF106566B for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F72B8FC14 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q5LB6CCH002018; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q5LB6CXP002015; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michel Talon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <402199FE-380B-41B6-866B-7D5D66C457D5@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120621015237.GB58187@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: Why Clang X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:06:17 -0000 > for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. If FreeBSD appears > as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure this will be good I think any project that size is actually a subsidiary and must be. I just don't like that it isn't stated openly! It is nothing wrong, unless one can feed using zero point energy, everyone needs money to stay alive. Wouldn't it be smarter to openly say "Juniper request as to get rid o GPL as soon as we can because they are fed up with this shit and law mess." instead of personal attacks, messing with my (and others) sentences and posting evident lies just to "explain" the decision. It is a difference between honest people and fools. i already proposed (but not publically) to turn FreeBSD into commercial system. REALLY i would not see a problem to pay say 100$ per server licence. There is nothing to prevent giving source with system. Non-Free software doesn't have to be binary only. For paying this i would like FreeBSD to be maintained with quality and performance being the only reason, not politics. Every "trendy" or otherwise requested feature could be added separately or even charged separately, as long as it doesn't have any effects on base system. ZFS being example. Nothing against Juniper (the make truly good working hardware), but if they enforce decision because of their personal likes then it must be stopped. GPLv3 based C compiler does not prevent making closed source software like JunOS for example. It is only "i hate GNU" type decision. I hate too, and in spite of this am against removing gcc and replacing it with much worse product.