From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 1 07:59:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522781065675 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawfal@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B378FC40 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 07:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawfal@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so79017ele.12 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:59:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=95Wt0wKxfwNmmPulcCVcYCqXQ60UzusqR9O5E+8y39E=; b=sQVJ/LFmQNOIcanjQgyVgMd0znvK6WSHOk8wFhTL2vEMbYBiLhTiHEMRQU3GFskYmZDvVV7/wD6cuAb8q8BkJ9tlKOlCKU+qsAPAmfyu1pPUNhpHQH/zN+llUXPQzb4/hGQc2bce6z5b1hxrkexTlFOM2fgrDZraSWOD3Vk11IQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=XbTbILS8lnp6NulmDige1B5YBnIxpZ5j95hGWOsXhFfL/Cso/gXZrQUjil2pjAmoKa1GX/aYgQ7sgangLg9uK4VKZWcyaYpzbwXmCefk+5OiMkGTg/uBmkgx6+6hyTijugt+eS5/qNZKICBwjKh+jIU0LbKYATUgmkxdooANwHg= Received: by 10.141.96.21 with SMTP id y21mr6943775rvl.132.1204356720508; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.101? ( [60.48.181.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41sm2105249rvb.24.2008.02.29.23.31.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: <1BBD0D48B63AE41DF673F6C4@[10.110.3.211]> References: <1204151575.84335.3.camel@neo.cse.buffalo.edu> <1204310983.47c853c70577d@imp.free.fr> <47C89B18.8010803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <1BBD0D48B63AE41DF673F6C4@[10.110.3.211]> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:32:00 +0800 Message-Id: <1204356720.6148.10.camel@HF> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nawfal@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:59:25 -0000 On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 19:18 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 PM +0000 Matthew Seaman > wrote: > > > gregoryd.freebsd@free.fr wrote: > > > >>> On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. > >>> We hope you enjoy the new release. > >> > >> I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. > >> > >> It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept > >> making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one > >> before the next one again... > >> All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for > >> Christ's sake !) > >> It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around > >> sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. > > > > People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally > > use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty > > minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates > > etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. > > > > That's true, however he didn't have an internet connection. Furthermore, > he has a valid point. My custom is to install the base system and ports, > then install bash and cvsup. Just installing those two ports requires the > use of both of the extra cds, because bash is one and cvsup is on the other. > > I'm sure it wouldn't satisfy everyone, but ISTM if an attempt was made to > put the most frequently installed packages on one cd, the problem would be > solved for most people. Since we're collecting those stats with bsdtstats > now, we should have some useful data to work with. > > Another approach might be to make one cd the "desktop install" cd, > including all of the apps commonly used to install the desktop (xorg, kde, > gnome, etc.) > > It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. You can actually use csup instead of cvsup and it is already included in the base. But yes, it would be nice to have an official DVD release :P . Regards! -- Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan CITS, Multimedia University "Come, come, whoever you are. Worshiper, Wanderer, Lover of Leaving; Ours is not a caravan of despair. Though you have broken your vows a thousand times... Come, come again, Come." - Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi