From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Apr 23 01:20:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E6CB18079 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239801CBF for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 22E9FB18078; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228AFB18077 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:f2f8:abf8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "orthanc.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X1" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 108621CBE for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from minnie ([72.143.234.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u3N1JwTQ022225 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyndon Nerenberg X-X-Sender: lyndon@minnie.bitsea.ca To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: current Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) In-Reply-To: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:20:02 -0000 On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles > away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with > pkg, they can very well roll their own. True enough. But I am also wary of decending into what became of X, where a build of the xorg metapackage spends 80% of its time running configure, over and over and over again. How long until a source build becomes a series of 'rpmbuild ...' equivalents? Sadly, if this level of fine grained packaging infects the base, it *will* only be a matter of time ... So no matter what the good intentions, this is going to impact everyone, like it or not. --lyndon