From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 22:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C504816A400 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF11B43D46 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:15:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45MFJVR064560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 6 May 2006 00:15:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k45MFIeb064559; Sat, 6 May 2006 00:15:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Mikhail Teterin In-Reply-To: <200605051414.02384.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> References: <200605041507.08581.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <200605051346.39823.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20060505175533.GA3384@xor.obsecurity.org> <200605051414.02384.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Dnq3hsQY6GdrtXaUDuTJ" Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 00:15:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1146867318.62735.9.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: X.Org 7.0 port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:15:48 -0000 --=-Dnq3hsQY6GdrtXaUDuTJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mikhail Teterin p=ED=B9e v p=E1 05. 05. 2006 v 14:14 -0400: > > Sorry, but "I suggest those other people pull their finger out and > > work harder on my problems" isn't a viable solution. >=20 > Kris, I only spoke, when it emerged, that the X11 team is working on port= ing=20 > 7.0, which has no functional improvements over the already ported 6.9. So= =20 > much so, it was first (rather angrily) suggested to an innocent user,=20 > that "no one in their right mind" would work on 7.0... Actually it's a very very good idea to work on 7.0 ports. The common knowledge of "no functional changes" is false, in fact. The 7.0 release is modular - it consists of set of ~100 little ports. It's also no longer imake, but autotools based. And it behaves much like GNOME, various parts of this set see releases when needed, so fixes to problematic parts, like radeon driver, can happen much more often than the global milestone release like 7.1 will be. > Of all people, *you*, who sends ports failure notifications to hundreds o= f=20 > ports maintainers, should know better -- when X-server fails to start or=20 > hangs the user's machine, it is the port's failure no different (although= =20 > harder to fix), than any ported program misbehaving. What if it's not port's failure, after all? For example, my new radeon card, when used in Xorg 6.9.0 with 'ati' driver, freezes the box hard on xterm resizing. It does it on _both_ FreeBSD and Linux. So it's Xorg bug in fact, not ports' bug. It must be fixed in the Xorg codebase, not in our port. --=20 Pav Lucistnik The Novice rogue. A rather shifty individual --=-Dnq3hsQY6GdrtXaUDuTJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEW852ntdYP8FOsoIRAsCnAJ9og08KOrBh6hK++7X74yXufaDXnwCfWZhp jlJg+JccKgUmQKxOj5kyx/M= =T6Bk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Dnq3hsQY6GdrtXaUDuTJ--