From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 30 19:17:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F5A37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A176943E4A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0373.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.118] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TCuQ-0007kT-00; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3E110BFF.3A0B5A1B@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:16:15 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: Brad Knowles , Harry Tabak , dever@getaclue.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <200212310238.gBV2c0177895@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4b9131a8dd0357c83cd3e44e996c5ba7ca7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > >> Because the assumptions you call "systems engineering" and "emergent > >> behaviors" may not apply when dealing with a large space of humanity. > > > > Sure they do. > > LOL. You can't prove that assertion, you don't have the means. You mean, of course, that I can't prove it to you, due to your willful ignorance of the calculus necessary to the proof. 8-). > > Human behaviour, at least relative to groups, is both quantifiable > > and predictable. > > I disagree, and here we meet the classic Lambert/Hayes impasse. > Welcome back! These mailing lists are completely predictable because the FreeBSD project itself is completely predictable, as a variation of the non-linear Richardson equation describing a mutual security game called "GloboCop". This is a very elementary mutual security game, which is easy to understand and model, if you are willing to learn how to solve partial differential equations. > >> Your analogy is arbitrary. People -do- deny the existence of both > >> those forces. Whether they are "right" or not depends on the circle > >> of people they are addressing. I certainly wouldn't address a PhD in > >> physics with this denial, I might address a group of new age > >> "spiritual" people that way. > > > > Yet a falling anvil from the top of the building will not respect > > their beliefs. > > You'd be surprised. I've seen instances with my own eyes where the > laws of physics haven't held. I know I take great risk saying this, > because this is akin to telling a Christian that Jesus was just > another man...but that's my experience. Feel free to demonstrate them repeatably under laboratory conditions... you will win the acceptance of all true scientists. > > Beliefs that contradict reality are unconvincing to reality > > Even the belief that there is one and only one objective reality which > everyone shares whether they want to or not? Does that one contradict reality? > > You can't argue with the laws of physics (well, you can... but you > > will always lose; gotta love the laws of physics...). > > When you can explain the magic of David Copperfield or David Blane, > I'll listen to this argument. They are perceptual tricks. Almost all visual tricks are based on the fundamental wiring of human beings. If you want me to come up with a way to duplicate a particular trick, then provide a reference for the trick, so that I can personally observe its operation. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message