From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 17 03:04:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ECD16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 03:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40BD43D75 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 03:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from esbjerg@xbsd.net) Received: from xbsd.net (0x50a16596.boanxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.161.101.150]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEEB262840 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:03:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by xbsd.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFE483DF2D; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:03:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:03:57 +0100 From: Sven Esbjerg To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040317110357.GB23608@gosling.home.xbsd.net> References: <20040315134745.1eb201f4.manlix@demonized.net> <20040315125710.GK797@camelot.theinternet.com.au> <20040315140153.30348b1e.manlix@demonized.net> <4057D767.2090107@freebsd.org> <6.0.1.1.1.20040317065013.03b765a0@imap.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20040317065013.03b765a0@imap.sfu.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Pkg-based base system. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:04:53 -0000 On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 06:57:19AM +0000, Colin Percival wrote: > At 04:43 17/03/2004, Scott Long wrote: > >FreeBSD is an operating > >system. It is not a kernel with interchangeable userland pieces. > > Nor, I think, do many users want a kernel with interchangeable > userland pieces. What I hear from many users, however, is that > they would like an operating system with optional pieces -- so > that they could sysinstall FreeBSD without sendmail, named, or > doscmd (to take a random example). This is something I would very much like to see. As it is now I rip out the printing system, sendmail, bind from all the FreeBSD installations I do. For those who must know I install CUPS, Postfix and Bind-9.x instead. I have no problem with FreeBSD having a default set of 'packages' but it would be nice to be able to maintain a binary release of freebsd where I can choose userland pacakeges with sysinstall and not (allways) having to maintain my own src-tree with things turned of from wich I create my 'own' freebsd. If the freebsd team is positive towards having parts of freebsd as packages I would like to commit some time into making this possible. Maybe not for 5.3 but for later releases. I understand this discussion can turn into a bikeshed situation. I hope it doesn't end there ;) Sven Esbjerg