From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 13 4:27: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AEF37B409 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24212; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:26:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Bill Moran Cc: Paul Robinson , Milo Hyson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror References: <20010912215547.98067.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com> <20010913102807.A369@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <01091306401000.11655@proxy.the-i-pa.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 13 Sep 2001 13:26:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <01091306401000.11655@proxy.the-i-pa.com> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Moran writes: > I would suggest reviewing your history. Nobody was sure who assisinated > the Archduke of Austria, and yet WW I started. Although I agree with your point, I'd say you're the one who needs to review your history; Duke Ferdinand's murderer, Gavrilo Princip, was apprehended on the scene, and turned out to be a South Slav student acting (as far as can be determined) on his own initiative. That said, Ferdinand's death had no real significance in and of itself, but served only as a (semi-)plausible excuse for Austria- Hungary to declare war on Serbia. The ultimatum that Serbia was given in late July was only a formality; it was intended to be rejected, and was indeed promptly rejected, but it did play a significant part in that it ruined the element of surprise from which Austria-Hungary might have benefited. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message